Posted on Jan 7, 2016
CPT Russell Pitre
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.

What would you have if you were the Safety?

Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.

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MSG Johnathan Mathes
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First off a lot of leaders failed here.. second she failed herself third no such thing as a reservist anymore that can be deployed at anytime.. better start looking deeper to see what else she doesn't know.. like reading a map..
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
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I meant to say " no such thing as a reservists that don't deploy anymore" guess I got too excited to proof read my own writing lol
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CW2 Ernest Krutzsch
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Still doing firing lines, eh? When I was at Fort Riley, I was running a pistol range. General House visited, he saw the first group go through and stopped everything. He asked, what is up with this ready on the left, ready on the right crap(I cleaned it up, considerably), I told him it was Forscom regulation. He said that it was all BS, he asked if that is the way we would do it in combat, I said no, so he said do it the way you would then. I turned the lanes over to the squad leaders and they told their troops where the targets were and when to shoot. I thought it was great, wish more would see it that way
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SGT Monitor
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I've seen a lot of sketchy stuff on the range being with Nat Guard, but never someone not knowing how to load a mag. That's BCT stuff..... Can they recycle her back to BCT to re-learn how to load a mag and go back through EVERYTHING about being a soldier?
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SFC Troop Fires Trainer
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All you should do is teach the standard, enforce the standard and move on. Its like finding a crack in your house... you don't point it out and let it get worse, you fix it and hope it holds because after all we are one team... one fight.
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Cpl Thomas Kifer
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We even took our magazine apart and oil brush the inner workings of our magazine. Unbelievable.
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Cpl Thomas Kifer
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I'm a little confused. Weather you are active duty or reservist, don't reservist go thru bootcamp first as active duty Marines and all other branches of the service do. I swear I new my M-16 A2 assault rifle better then anything. It is an extension of my vary soul. In my platoon in bootcamp, we didn't only disassembled our rifle blind foldered but behind our backs. There is nothing and I'm serious, there is nothing a marine know better then his rifle. Am I making myself clear here. And that soldier was a Sgt. That soldier, and I'm being serious, that soldier needs to repeat basic training. If the soldier doesn't have basic knowledge of their weapon. Then how is that person even a soldier. I see only two choices here, repeat basic or immediate discharge. And maybe discipline actions against those who promoted this soldier in the first place. Unforgivable.
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SSG Diane R.
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~Facepalm!
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PFC Bradley Campbell
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take the stripes and give choice. out or take basic training again
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SPC Joshua Fahlin
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Link no work
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SGT Squad Leader
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Not everyone is accustomed to firearms. However being in the military they ought to know their weapon. Perhaps it is because the only time she's ever fired a weapon was on the range and her mags were pre loaded. I don't know about you but I never see females on range duty.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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I would jump on his stuff and ask him what kind of magazines does he read anyway? Oh we're talking about the other kind of magazine huh?

Well I was a Range Safety NCO and was the Marksmanship coordinator for many years in my unit so I feel that it isn't the soldiers lack of knowledge necessarily but the lack of proper training. We would go through each weapon that was being fired whether it was an individual or crew served weapon in the classroom weeks before we live fired. Its to important not to do it as lives can be lost through a stupid mistake made by someone unfamiliar to the weapon being fired. Soldiers ETS out of a unit and new soldier unfamiliar to that weapon system are now tasked to fill that weapon slot. So before you bust some Staff Sergeant down to PFC maybe you should take a good hard look at the training in your Battalion and thank God this incident came to light before anything serious happened. I would use this as a training tool to make sure everyone is familiar with a weapon before walking out on the range. Big failure for the Training NCO's in my mind and it needs to be fixed.
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PFC Mobile Gun System (Mgs) Gunner
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I'd just show him how and try to be as professional as possible but it would be very hard not to double face palm.
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SGT Jim Arnold
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bummer !! I missed out on the show
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MAJ Albert McCaig
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There is a very real training gap in her unit and her chain of command. Yes, the SGT has some responsibility but so does her entire chain of command up to at least battalion level.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
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Is this right up there with Sailors who don't know how to swim?
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SFC Collection Manager
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This has got to be a joke, no one is this stupid.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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It is a new Army.
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SSG John Bacon
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What is even more sad is she has an 18th Airborne Corps Combat Patch. She requires some remedial training and an attitude adjustment. The I'm just a Reservist crap does not fly.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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I have a feeling that she was attached to some part of it. There is no way she was actually in the 18th ABC.
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SFC Marcus Belt
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Conduct training. Soldiers do what they've been trained to do. This is the cornerstone of our profession. I get paid to lead and train Soldiers, and this particular NCO has given me the opportunity to do so.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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Do you think it is a little late in the game for this? This is a soldier task. Even civilians know how to do this. Don't you think it would adversely affect how their soldiers view them.
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SFC Marcus Belt
SFC Marcus Belt
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It's not even in the game yet. Everything we do before we deploy is practice time. Practice time is where I sort this out.

My Soldiers and NCOs will also know that I'm not going to berate or belittle them for a training deficiency; I'm going to correct it and move on, and my NCOs will know that I'll expect the same from them.

Consider an alternative COA; I trash this NCO in front of everyone, or attempt to reduce her grade. It's a Reserve unit at a range, which usually means deployment cycle training; she'll have a funky attitude, or figure out a way not to deploy, leaving the rest of the unit shorthanded.

No: assuming all other aspects of the SGT's performance are at least adequate, then I've got to prepare the people I've got for the tasks we've got to accomplish.
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MSgt Cyber Transport Systems
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I can barely understand what you just wrote.
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SCPO Martin Synakowski
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I would train them, even if it took hours to get it right. There is no substitute for safety on the range.
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CPT Russell Pitre
CPT Russell Pitre
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you are right. I am just curious how she was even an NCO.
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