Posted on Jan 7, 2016
What would you do if your Sergeant didn't know how to load a magazine?
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I just saw this video and felt like I was watching a multi-car accident on the interstate. It just got worse as it went on. What made it so bad as this was a SGT. The Safety was professional as he could be. Hats off to him. When I heard her say "I'm not Active Duty" I would have kicked her off the range. I am glad the Safety told her that she was a soldier and that he was a reservist too. If I was her CO I would have do everything I could to reduce her. But I think if you have a NCO like this in your unit the unit itself has a lot of issues in the first place. What kills me also is that she has a combat patch.
What would you have if you were the Safety?
Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.
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What would you have if you were the Safety?
Just so you know that you know it is believed that they Safety was a SSG just the same as was the soldier trying to load the mag.
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How could the person get to the rank of Sgt. with our firing a rifle. Had to have had basic training
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I would pull them off to the side and we would practice the basics and fundementals of weapons handling. Load, unload and clearing a weapon until they could do it proficiently.
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I can't see the video. Is she unable to load the actual rounds into the magazine, or the magazine into her rifle? Because, in her defense, I was NEVER taught how to load ammo into a magazine in basic training, I was in the Army for 6 years (Active duty AND Reserve) before I ever loaded ammo into a magazine. And at my discharge after 10 years in the Army, I STILL couldn't load the ammo individually by hand, I had to use the rapid loader (when I tried to load individual rounds, as I tried to push them in, they'd twist).
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First I would have to ask “Really ?”
Then as the INSTRUCTOR, I or another capable individual would try to correct what has obviously been a huge hole in the soldier’s training. Follow that with a lot a very close supervision and further instruction as needed.
Almost everything we do outside actual combat is training for actual combat. It is our job to train. When in the instructor’s job, we often are saddled with people who are not nearly as competent or well trained as they should be. All too often, this is no fault of the individual, but the fault of those behind them that just kicked the can down the road for various reasons. That’s where we step in and see what we can do to correct the situation. We don’t always get the Soldiers/Marines/Airman/Sailors that we want. It’s up to the leaders to make them into what we need, to fit the mission and become part of your team.
During WW2, they were throwing Marines into combat so fast at the end of the war, they didn’t even know how to unpack a grenade from its canister. They would open the can, demove the grenade, pull the pin and throw it , leaving the safety clip and cardboard safety collar still on it. The Japanese would then finish taking off the safety devices and throw it back. Very thoughtful of them.
At the beginning of the Korean War, they shipped regular Marines and Reservists over together. Back then, the Reservists had little to no boot camp training. They didn’t know how to break down weapons and could barely load and fire their rifles much less machine guns. The Regulars at first treated then with disdain. The older veterans told them “you are going to be fighting shoulder to shoulder with these guys in about 20 days. You have until then to get them ready.
Coming across people with gaps in their training is still all too common. We hate to see it when they show up in our group as they take up a great deal of our time to bring them up to speed. This takes away from the time you would otherwise spend on others. We have all had to do it, we all hate it. But it is what it is.
Pulling the soldier off the line and out of the group doesn’t correct her problem. It only kicks the can down the road for someone else to correct and hope that they don’t find themselves in a forward operating base in some sandbox before then.
Then as the INSTRUCTOR, I or another capable individual would try to correct what has obviously been a huge hole in the soldier’s training. Follow that with a lot a very close supervision and further instruction as needed.
Almost everything we do outside actual combat is training for actual combat. It is our job to train. When in the instructor’s job, we often are saddled with people who are not nearly as competent or well trained as they should be. All too often, this is no fault of the individual, but the fault of those behind them that just kicked the can down the road for various reasons. That’s where we step in and see what we can do to correct the situation. We don’t always get the Soldiers/Marines/Airman/Sailors that we want. It’s up to the leaders to make them into what we need, to fit the mission and become part of your team.
During WW2, they were throwing Marines into combat so fast at the end of the war, they didn’t even know how to unpack a grenade from its canister. They would open the can, demove the grenade, pull the pin and throw it , leaving the safety clip and cardboard safety collar still on it. The Japanese would then finish taking off the safety devices and throw it back. Very thoughtful of them.
At the beginning of the Korean War, they shipped regular Marines and Reservists over together. Back then, the Reservists had little to no boot camp training. They didn’t know how to break down weapons and could barely load and fire their rifles much less machine guns. The Regulars at first treated then with disdain. The older veterans told them “you are going to be fighting shoulder to shoulder with these guys in about 20 days. You have until then to get them ready.
Coming across people with gaps in their training is still all too common. We hate to see it when they show up in our group as they take up a great deal of our time to bring them up to speed. This takes away from the time you would otherwise spend on others. We have all had to do it, we all hate it. But it is what it is.
Pulling the soldier off the line and out of the group doesn’t correct her problem. It only kicks the can down the road for someone else to correct and hope that they don’t find themselves in a forward operating base in some sandbox before then.
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Let's be fair, I was an 11C and only fired an M60 once. I don't remember ever training with it, the 11B's did that. We were in the same Co. I wouldn't expect an 11B to know how to fire a mortar. Now if this were an M16, that would be different.
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I think it falls onto the leadership. They need to get things more squared away and see to it quickly.
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