Posted on Jun 23, 2016
Whatever happened to respectful debate and discourse?
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Especially amongst servicemembers? I half expect vile, furious debate laced with name calling, put downs, and general degradation of another human being from the public - but wasn't expecting it here. Anyone, regardless of rank and education, loses my attention immediately when they sink to the level of degrading someone else in the name of "debate". It is in direct conflict of every single service's values and it's incredibly childish and unprofessional. Learn to listen, and to respect opposing viewpoints and beliefs while still remaining passionate about your own. And learn how to have a civil debate about opposing views instead of just yelling and putting down anyone who doesn't share your views. Let's be the professional, responsible adults that our morals and values teach us to be!
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Responses: 31
Captain-We'd all like to see more civility, but I always keep in mind that RP isn't the parade ground, or the wardroom, and if I comment...I'm open to the fullest extent and range of opinions held by active, reserve, and veterans. From my own perspective, the moderators do a decent job of keeping us all in our corners.
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Well said sir. I've lurked about the comments section here for far longer than I've commented actively and rarely seen direct, personal attacks or spurious rhetoric allowed to be propagated on this site.
Well said sir. I've lurked about the comments section here for far longer than I've commented actively and rarely seen direct, personal attacks or spurious rhetoric allowed to be propagated on this site.
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1LT William Clardy
Have you checked out the discussion about how to handle a directly disobedient soldier, SPC (Join to see)? Better put on your Nomex undies before venturing into *that* discussion...
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SPC (Join to see)
1LT William Clardy Yeah, there isn't a whole lot that's productive about that one.
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I am going to help you with this. It is simple people don't want your opinion, they just want you to agree with there point of view
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A1C Lisa Casserly
I've noticed this... I have this cousin. He's a perfectly nice guy, but he's very liberal. In my opinion, he's so liberal I'm afraid his brain has fallen out. And, despite all of that "loving attitude" for everyone and every little cause, he is very loud, vocal and downright RUDE if you dare to disagree with him. I feel that we can't sit down and have a civil discussion, how can we EVER solve the world's problems?
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Guilty as charged. I tend to be respectful until someone is disrespectful of me. The problem seems to be that few have any facility for debate. They believe that repeating the same lie will make it true. That SHOUTING LOUDER will make something more compelling. (I simply refuse to read anything typed in SHOUTING text) They believe that their ideology should not be questioned or challenged. I could of course, simply refrain from participating. Well that's what I do when I realize that someone is ill equipped to carry on a respectful conversation. Sadly, I don't seem to be able to depart the arena without leaving a parting shot. It's a weakness. I beg forgiveness.
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CPT (Join to see) As some have mentioned, except with a recent incident where TSgt Hunter Logan took heat for something she said, I have not noted any extremes as you describe although I am sure you have in some manner, either to yourself or between others. I go through the threads deleting or ignoring those which don't interest me such as politics, religion, gun control - the usual ones - which can get the juices flowing. I would rather read, learn, and participate in military subjects I know something about, have had some experience, or a war-story to tell. Don't hesitate to give a thumbs-down to, block and report those you feel are going over the line. And don't you be discouraged into withdrawing your good comments, ideas, and insights. People do like to read reasoned views.
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MSG Pat Colby
SGM Erik Marquez - I did not reply to the Original Post, I replied to the CONTENT of a Sub-post from CAPT Tim Brown. MY observations were validated by another Poster in this same thread. The issue is people being all butt-hurt and not liking honest answers when they ask questions.
It's not my job to be a solution here, SGM. I chime in on posts that interest me or posts that I feel I can offer some assistance..
It's not my job to be a solution here, SGM. I chime in on posts that interest me or posts that I feel I can offer some assistance..
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Pat Colby - Your words "MSG Pat Colby about 1 hour
I had to block TSgt Hunter Logan and CPT Anonymous . Some people need to up their freaking Meds. "
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those words under your name were posted right up above... this is not in question.
"Some people need to up their freaking Meds. ""
Is an attack on the person, not a discussion of the topic.
Don't attack the person, discus the topic. that is the polite, professional way to debate or discuss.
I apologize if I was not more clear...
I had to block TSgt Hunter Logan and CPT Anonymous . Some people need to up their freaking Meds. "
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those words under your name were posted right up above... this is not in question.
"Some people need to up their freaking Meds. ""
Is an attack on the person, not a discussion of the topic.
Don't attack the person, discus the topic. that is the polite, professional way to debate or discuss.
I apologize if I was not more clear...
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MSG Pat Colby
SGM Erik Marquez - "I subscribe to the theory that 5% of the people are born or raised as asshole or bitches."
8 people voted up this response in this thread. Is this the polite, professionalism way to debate or discuss?
Colby. out.
8 people voted up this response in this thread. Is this the polite, professionalism way to debate or discuss?
Colby. out.
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Pat Colby - WE were discussing the post you made....
So I focused my part of our discussion on what you wrote.
As to the other post, it was an opinion in general, not directed at a fellow RP member. See the difference?
It could have been worded differently, but then Im not easily offended by words so the posters choice made no difference to the message for me.
So I focused my part of our discussion on what you wrote.
As to the other post, it was an opinion in general, not directed at a fellow RP member. See the difference?
It could have been worded differently, but then Im not easily offended by words so the posters choice made no difference to the message for me.
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Ma'am DD214 happened. Seriously. You will have some who challenge you mentally to be better or make you think about your response. Those are the ones I fear being I only have one brain cell that wasn't taken back by CIF. But they are also the ones I want to see the most. Then you have those who base everything about you off your MOS. Doesn't matter if you saved 35 million dollars or people, the fact that you're not this, or you're not that, or you're a female trying to do a man's job, there is something wrong with you not them. I've gone off the reservation a few times and lost bearing, but normally I try and if I don't, there might be a reason for it. I've had moderators place their jump boots on my neck. Amazing how quick you change your tune. Lately politics is the sore spot for folks. You have folks complaining that RP leans heavily to the left...no it's far right....now they're deleting posts on certain candidates. It's a never ending cycle, and it'll be that way no matter where you go. Active Duty was the same minus the 214. Someone always thinks they're badder than you, a better person than you, a better leader than you based off the Silver Star they got in BCT, or where you went to basic. Shrug your shoulders and keep it moving. Personally I do pick on other MOS, but it's in jest. I don't care what you did or are. But it's the good ones that I like to see and read on here, and the reason I won't quit.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
SSG Warren Swan - Did you get involved in the discussion I started about No Fly = No Buy?? . You and I need to start kicking butt when we have some guys ruining our discussions...
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SSG Warren Swan
Sgt Tom Cunnally - I don't remember. That topic would have me mention something on it.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
SSG Warren Swan - Just started one about Korea but don't think we have any Korean War Vets to add their experiences. Korea started on 06/25/1950 & I remember it well
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I haven't observed any negative behavior like the ones you've described on RallyPoint yet , but I might not be involved enough. Compared to Facebook and other social media platforms, it seems to me that the active members on RallyPoint are respecting each other more. It's pretty outstanding, actually.
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CPT (Join to see)
For the most part people are more respectful than on other social media platforms. Discussions revolving around politics and government, especially during an election season, have the tendency to generate passionate viewpoints.
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LTC Kevin B.
In my opinion, the active duty service members are the most respectful people on here. From what I've seen, the vast majority of the vitriol comes from the veterans and the retirees (those who aren't held accountable by their commands for their actions on social media, and therefore feel liberated from the need to pull their punches). This behavior comes from a smaller percentage of RP members though, and as Admins, we do try to police it up.
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1LT William Clardy
I have to disagree, LTC Kevin B.. A significant percentage of those on active duty are at least as rude and unreasoning as the worst of us "been there, done that, don't no more" types.
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It's is the modern day form of dueling. Behaviors associated with officers (officer and a gentleman), and enlisted are somewhat different I have been both and have noticed a distinction in interpersonal exchange. The anonymity of the Internet allows for people to be themselves and a certain disrespect is aimed at another person vice debating and expressing a view point about a subject area. I think the most frustrated and least powerful are the ones who feel empowered by their ability to be personal and nasty. But, there are Four Agreements you should remember when you are confronted by an objectional character. The main one is don't take it personally. It really isn't about you. It is about them. You have to read the book to understand the whole deal. My favorite movie is "Master and Commander". Everyone is so delightfully proper!
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CPT (Join to see)
Col Rebecca Lorraine - Ok. Just wondering. A professor recommended it to me a few years ago. I picked it up and read it. Good read. A guest speaker in class mentioned it a couple of months ago. Maybe it's making its way back to the circuit.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
I picked it up again after this debate but read it a few years ago. It is timeless wisdom, but I misspoke. The First agreement is "To be impeccable with your word" The Second Agreement is "Don't take anything personally", Third Agreement is "Don't make assumptions" and the Forth is "Always do your best". How can that not be a rare wisdom in this day and age?
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Col Rebecca Lorraine - It's kinda neat to recognize how timeless wisdom can be found in the most unexpected places. I liked that it was concise and clear.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
For us in the military: Short and sweet or KISS. I am happy that it is often so true!
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CPT (Join to see) "Whatever happened to respectful debate and discourse?"
Ma'am its the same as it always has been. Some choose to debate in a professional manner, others choose ad hominem attacks or outright personal attacks in negitive language, profanity or actual threats. RP audience is no difference that if you were to fill a stadium with an entire division of SM, all MOS, rank, walks of life.. and then tossed in polarizing subject..
Perhaps you perceve in your daily Army life to not see the same here, is because of the relatively limited groups of SM you may encounter at any one time in person...and those groups are largely selected by you to be around.. If you choose to hang around those that think like you well then the debate is often one sided.. If you choose to hang around peers that both think as you do and oppose ..you'll have debate but largely in a reasonable manner.
Walk in to the 82nd division on All American week when a few thousand are gathered for division review and strike up a conversation and debate on the antiquated and waste of resource, funding AirBorne deployment of troops are..and see if you get "respectful opposing viewpoints and beliefs while still remaining passionate about your own. All while having a civil debate about opposing views instead of just yelling and putting down anyone who doesn't share your views." from the demographic you choose to engage..
Ma'am its the same as it always has been. Some choose to debate in a professional manner, others choose ad hominem attacks or outright personal attacks in negitive language, profanity or actual threats. RP audience is no difference that if you were to fill a stadium with an entire division of SM, all MOS, rank, walks of life.. and then tossed in polarizing subject..
Perhaps you perceve in your daily Army life to not see the same here, is because of the relatively limited groups of SM you may encounter at any one time in person...and those groups are largely selected by you to be around.. If you choose to hang around those that think like you well then the debate is often one sided.. If you choose to hang around peers that both think as you do and oppose ..you'll have debate but largely in a reasonable manner.
Walk in to the 82nd division on All American week when a few thousand are gathered for division review and strike up a conversation and debate on the antiquated and waste of resource, funding AirBorne deployment of troops are..and see if you get "respectful opposing viewpoints and beliefs while still remaining passionate about your own. All while having a civil debate about opposing views instead of just yelling and putting down anyone who doesn't share your views." from the demographic you choose to engage..
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Welcome to RallyPoint ma'am. One of the many reasons I don't participate as much as I used to. Enjoy!
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One of the problems I have seen, is the lack of restraint that seems to be present with prior military members. It's almost as if once they have new-found freedom to express their views, the gloves come off. After all, who are they accountable to?
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SGT (Join to see)
I've done that a few times in technical threads with as much tact as possible, until I'm talked down to. Some SNCOs and Officers need to be reminded sometimes that expertise does NOT mean you know everything or you can fake it by bending/misinterpreting others' words to make them out to be wrong or needing to learn more.
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1SG (Join to see)
I never said that active duty did not do this, but they can be held accountable for disrespect if they go to far. But I have, in my experience here, noticed that most of the poor attitudes are more prevalent among those that are not currently serving active or TPU
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