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I recently posted on RP in reference to people falsely claiming PTSD through the VA. I am all about a spirited conversation with different points of view but it doesn't mean that one should shame an individual for claiming PTSD benefits. An individual on RP attempted to shame a fellow Veteran about his PTSD and knocked RP for creating a supportive platform. What do you think?
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 33
I'd like to catch someone shaming a fellow Veteran about PTSD and then we'll see about Totally Acceptable getting your ass handed to you. We have 22 Veterans a day committing suicide. This is for real. We all have our own demons to fight we don't need our comrades in arms adding to the mix. Out...
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CPO Zack Lindsey
It is still hard and. Well I still do a lot of. Dealing with a lot of issues and I think I will be doing that till the time I push flowers up the the bottom I know I have delt with a few but that wall is high and thick
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Cpl Kyle Oberst
Sir you are an enabler.
You are the worst thing for a person with a mental disorder. You will excuse and even defend there destructive behavior. If you want to help tear down there wall. The best place to start is AA. They are great at helping people who are ill.
We can't condone we must heal and tough love is sometimes the only way
You are the worst thing for a person with a mental disorder. You will excuse and even defend there destructive behavior. If you want to help tear down there wall. The best place to start is AA. They are great at helping people who are ill.
We can't condone we must heal and tough love is sometimes the only way
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CPL Eric Escasio
yes very true as Military that is not acceptable at all, probably in civilian world who dont understand or intentionally done for fun.
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SGT C Mendez
CPL Eric Escasio - Sadly, this individual is a Veteran. He is not collecting benefits but he came off as angry and upset at the system. I totally get the latter; I mean, we all get frustrated at the system but I will not tolerate someone attempting to shame a Vet for getting benefits for PTSD.
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SSG Shavonde Chase
CPL Eric Escasio - IT's not acceptable in the civilian neither as many people suffer from behavior health related issues.
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CPL Eric Escasio
SSG Shavonde Chase - Thats what I thought so too at first but not in my case when I came home in 2006 from deployment, probably it differs from state to state. And It happens to be that I used to live in a crappy one before. What happened to me happened and the best thing I can do is get away and just stay away.
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Oftentimes the people slamming veterans with PTSD have no real knowledge of what they are saying. These military personnel who claim PTSD have been diagnosed by qualified medical personnel and are deserving of their ratings.
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Cpl Jeff N.
Sgt Gus Laskaris As usual, Gus is in the black on the topic. Veterans are being turned into the next victim class that need government benefits to survive. Is there real PTSD, yes. Is there as much as is being claimed, No. Do you ever get over PTSD? Is it a lifetime debilitating disorder? There is another possibility to an encounter with stress, that is growth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgJascdvJ8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgJascdvJ8A
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1LT Michael Bowen
SGT Laskaris, some people do grow from their experiences. You can not make a blanket statement that covers everyone. What you are saying essentially is "Get over it." Some people can very quickly and others can not. It is based on many factors on how you were raised, etc, etc. Would you tell a young woman to get over being raped? Would you tell someone to get over being stabbed? Well, it is essentially the same thing with a soldier. Someone tried to kill him, he has a right to work through his problems with a certified Doctor.
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CPT Duane Caswell
I have been dealing with this since Vietnam and still managed to lead a successful and productive life. There should be no shame in seeking help in dealing with your demons but you have to learn to make friends with them and push on.
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SSG Edward Tilton
PTSD is a mental disorder, for that matter so is Anxiety Disorder. Both are reasons to prohibit firearms or other dangerous items. The VA should be required to supply the state with a list
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I can't help but agree. I too read that article and I have PTSD. I felt doubt and shame and questioned my mental stability. I was shot 3 times (body armor stopped 2, 1 thru my right hand). In my civilian life I was in multiple raids as a tactical medic for SWAT and a FF/Medic. Life and death was in my hands constantly and some choices still haunt me. I don't know why that article bothered me so much, maybe it made me feel like "stolen valor". I have come to terms with my PTSD disability and no long confused or shamed but I wonder how many like me with PTSD, hasn't come to terms with it after reading that article.
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***UPDATE***
I responded to the Veteran that I thought was being unfairly critiqued by an RP member. It turns out he was responding about a soldier of his possibly faking PTSD. The individual in question did not apply to these comments towards the RP Veteran but to all Veterans in general. Again, its not about getting anyone in trouble or being touchy feely, its about standing up for Vets that are claiming PTSD.
I responded to the Veteran that I thought was being unfairly critiqued by an RP member. It turns out he was responding about a soldier of his possibly faking PTSD. The individual in question did not apply to these comments towards the RP Veteran but to all Veterans in general. Again, its not about getting anyone in trouble or being touchy feely, its about standing up for Vets that are claiming PTSD.
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This post and many like it bring the following quote to my mind each time "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
There are in my opinion and personal observation, many fraudulent cases of VA disability ..PTSD, TBI, Sleep apnea, non specific back injury/pain..ect.. Many were very vocal in telling me how I too could work a scam and get paid "big bucks"
That said I look at it as i do that quote..
We can not look down our nose or assume fraud, deny claims based on a small percentage of fraud.. To deny even one troubled vet because others before have tried to fake a claim would be wrong.
Out the fakers as they can be seen in the light of truth,,, but never assume another is a fraud because of a unrelated fake claim.
There are in my opinion and personal observation, many fraudulent cases of VA disability ..PTSD, TBI, Sleep apnea, non specific back injury/pain..ect.. Many were very vocal in telling me how I too could work a scam and get paid "big bucks"
That said I look at it as i do that quote..
We can not look down our nose or assume fraud, deny claims based on a small percentage of fraud.. To deny even one troubled vet because others before have tried to fake a claim would be wrong.
Out the fakers as they can be seen in the light of truth,,, but never assume another is a fraud because of a unrelated fake claim.
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if combat doesn't change you have a problem making some one feel bad about the hell they live with u need a trip out back of the woodshed!
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
Yes!!! My Dad was a veteran of the South Pacific, and my childhood was a collection of moments that my 6'4 dad would dive under tables or bellow for us to take cover when a backfire sounded, or fireworks were around. He lived to be 91, and he never got over the horror, so Yes, I am pretty understanding of people who have problems related to combat, because it was, and is a part of my life, now that my son-in-law has it as well... his help, for the bad times, is a three pound dog of ours that he cuddles with... He says Fred keeps him grounded, and hey, thats fine by me... I only wonder now if my dad used my mom's cats for the same thing. He was often seen with a cat on his shoulder, and he used to say the purring helped him relax...
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The question shouldn't be when did it become acceptable, it ought to be when will it become Unacceptable to shame those with PTSD (or any other mental issue - such as clinical depression).
Are there some who game the system? Absolutely. Like any system (those soldiers who have the physical profiles where a coma might still be in violation of some aspect, and breathing must be limited to 12 breaths a minute or less). Yeah, those folks are a real gas to have to be around. However, every faker is vastly outnumbered by those who have legit issues. And shaming, belittling, degrading and berating isn't helping the individual, or the unit, or helping to accomplish the mission.
The military is great at training us how to destroy stuff, and they do a pretty damn good job at figuring out how to fix or, at the least, minimize the physical damage that can be incurred by violence and chaos. But the psychic wounds that may occur; the mental aftermath of witnessing all of that. Not so much. Granted treatment-wise, diagnosis-wise, we are starting to get it, and improve. The stigma, however, that surrounds these types of things has not lost any ground, and is only reinforced by those who purposefully fail to understand that they are actually worsening the situation for all concerned by conducting themselves through their behavior.
Are there some who game the system? Absolutely. Like any system (those soldiers who have the physical profiles where a coma might still be in violation of some aspect, and breathing must be limited to 12 breaths a minute or less). Yeah, those folks are a real gas to have to be around. However, every faker is vastly outnumbered by those who have legit issues. And shaming, belittling, degrading and berating isn't helping the individual, or the unit, or helping to accomplish the mission.
The military is great at training us how to destroy stuff, and they do a pretty damn good job at figuring out how to fix or, at the least, minimize the physical damage that can be incurred by violence and chaos. But the psychic wounds that may occur; the mental aftermath of witnessing all of that. Not so much. Granted treatment-wise, diagnosis-wise, we are starting to get it, and improve. The stigma, however, that surrounds these types of things has not lost any ground, and is only reinforced by those who purposefully fail to understand that they are actually worsening the situation for all concerned by conducting themselves through their behavior.
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CPT Duane Caswell
I have been living with PTSD since 1969 but the VA has just recently even recognized it. At some point we all have to make friends with our demons but we need to recognize that PTSD is not just a military issue. It is rampant in law enforcement and the fire service. Anyone who sees what they are not prepared to see or does what their mind cannot wrap itself around the experience will have to deal with PTSD to some degree.
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SFC Brian Gillum
CPT Duane Caswell - You are correct. It isn't just limited to the military or even to civilian emergency services (police, fire, EMS, Emergency Deaprtments in hospitals). Anyone experiencing something too traumatic to fully process, or being involved in or just witnessing an event that puts them in fear of their life can elicit a traumatic response that can become PTSD.
It has become most associated with military personnel due to the large number of this population that experience it.
And while it didn't receive the formal name and status that it has until recently, what is known as PTSD has been with us for ages. Soldier's Heart, Shell Shock, and other names have been used to describe some or all of the resultant signs and symptoms of what is included in the PTSD arena.
Thanks for your input.
It has become most associated with military personnel due to the large number of this population that experience it.
And while it didn't receive the formal name and status that it has until recently, what is known as PTSD has been with us for ages. Soldier's Heart, Shell Shock, and other names have been used to describe some or all of the resultant signs and symptoms of what is included in the PTSD arena.
Thanks for your input.
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SFC Brian Gillum
SFC Brian Gillum I keep trying to upvote your response, but RP is telling me I can’t upvote myself. So, thank you for your response.
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Folks, PTSD is real! For the ones of you who question the invisible wound. Put on your boots, and leave your way of life behind, while the rest of them sleep peacefully at night. Stand the post and see what war can be like once you have experienced it, and it stays with you.
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SSG Michael Scott
Oh, by the way, I forgot to put one picture up too. These two photos were everyday life in Iraq. So....you still want to criticize a Veteran with PTSD. Do not judge me, listen, and where my shoes for 3 months, said the Native American.
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