Posted on Oct 15, 2014
MSG Brad Sand
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CDC: U.S. health worker with Ebola should not have flown on commercial jet...no shit?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html

We have doctors going to restaurants when they are supposed to be quarantined, nurse flying across the country after the patient they were watching dies…and their partner is taking herself to the hospital with the same disease…and we are only talking about screening some of the airports? While I am not even talking about how the virus is breaking containment, when are we going to start taking this seriously? How many dead Americans before enough is enough? 10, 100, 1,000 or 10,000?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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My big issue is why are we treating people all over the place? They just flew the nurse from Dallas to Maryland to be treated - WTF?? Isn't there a greater risk by moving patients all over the place? Emory was the place the first victims were flown to, why were all patients not treated there? Now we have 3 states where Ebola patients have been treated. Containment and isolation, hello??
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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Heard yesterday they only have two beds their in Maryland to handle those types of cases. And that 150 people fly into the U.S. from the contaminated countries a day.

But don't worry Dr Frieden is on the job!

Not sure if I should laugh or start crying!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Be afraid MSgt (Join to see), be VERY afraid! I still like my Idea of an offshore hospital ship, but since I hold no clout with the Admiralty, so bee it :-)
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca It was outright asinine when Dr Frieden stated his reason for no travel ban. That if we stopped travel they would just cross our unprotected southern border. And we would not know what disease they are carrying in to the country and have no way to monitor them. Like if we actually know now what crosses the border and how well we keep tabs on those who fly in. Hell 50% of the illegals here now are on expired visas and they don't keep track of that. Truly great leadership, NOT!
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PO1 Tony Peters
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the Nurse in "Maryland" was transferred to NIH one of the 4 (I think) hospitals fully capable of dealing with an outbreak.
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SFC Boots Attaway
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Some of my friends and family have a place to go if it starts spreading fast that is away from any population larger than 2000 and the site is still 8 miles from there. We have our own well, food stores, medical supplies, guns and ammo for 5 months. But if necessary we could stay a lot longer. So people need to take it seriously and the government needs to get a clue.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Can I join my daughter and I join you? I will bring my own weapons and ammo?
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SFC Boots Attaway
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MSG Brad Sand You need to bring food for at least 3 months also. LOL You should have plenty of areas up there that you could bug out to up there though. An isolated area along a river or lake would be great as long as you have a food and water source. A couple of life straws will come in handy also.
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CW5 Desk Officer
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Boots, old buddy, message me privately on this. I'll take you up on it. :-) Are you a prepper? Seems like a good idea if Ebola does "take off" in the USA, but I don't see that happening.
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Great question, MSG Brad Sand. I think that Ebola is just a little more contagious (easy to transmit) than I thought, and probably than most people thought.

I'd say we'll take it seriously when more Americans get infected and die from the Ebola virus. I don't think it will take too terribly many in number to scare/shock Americans into reality. This is a serious threat - especially when healthcare workers who are professionals and are taking precautions get infected.

Testing potentially infected (but non-symptomatic) travelers who enter the U.S. is a weak attempt to stop the virus from spreading in the U.S. If I travel to Liberia, contract Ebola, then fly back here and get tested on day #5, say, or even day #10, and I don't have any symptoms ... what happens the next day when I start having symptoms. Some people will go to the hospital, others will not. And we could have a real mess on our hands.

It seems that the CDC's guidelines for how Ebola is transmitted may have to be tweaked, based on recent experience right here in the U.S.
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CW2 Ernest Krutzsch
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It's like Cancer, I smoked for over 35 years, my excuse...Cancer only happens to other people, well...it happened to me. Americans are only involved when it happens to them, that makes the Texas cases very important. I think we need to be a bit more protective of who we let in the country and from where. It can be beaten, but not if we just play it off as something that happens to other people.
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When do we start taking Ebola serious?
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Its a non-issue until someone at 1600 Pennsylvania ave comes down with it.
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MSG Brad Sand
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Well, if we protected the US citizens, Liberia's economy might slip to 167th in the World instead of 166th?
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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I'd say it's being taken pretty seriously now... I was in a meeting with our 2-star general last week and a 1-star about it today. It's definitely on the radar.
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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The problem that I've seen is that the CDC didn't IMMEDIATELY set out SOPs/mandates for how to treat possible ebola patients. These nurses weren't even wearing protective gear initially. This is why the head of the CDC was getting his ass handed to him by the senate today.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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SGT (Join to see), IMHO the flaw in your arguement is that just because a disease outbreak didn't happen in our back yard does not mean it is not our problem. By helping to stem the outbreak in Western Africa, we ARE taking care of our own. We have the expertise and the resources to help stop this outbreak. It is utterly ludicrous to only deal with this disease ONLY when it reaches our shores....because even the best screening processes are not going to catch 100% of possibly infected people. You can never build walls high enough to stop things like this from eventually finding it's way into your backyard. The best way of dealing with it is going to the source and squashing it. Screening travellers is STILL reactive measures.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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MAJ (Join to see), concur. Awareness among healthcare workers is a huge issue. If your staff is not thinking in terms of Ebola, they are not going to clue into it during triage screening exams and nor will they have the heightened sense of urgency when it comes to PPE.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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PO1 Ernie Foster, speaking as a healthcare worker, I can almost guarantee you that operator error contributed to staff becoming infected. Complacency among healthcare workers is a major issue for infection control in general, not just for Ebola.
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1SG Vet Technician
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As soon as it actually becomes a problem, then we can deal with it.

Thousands die from influenza varients annual in the us, AIDS-related deaths nuumber in the tens of thousands.

The biggest danger is the over hype the media is giving to this. The Ebola virus only spreads between people who have contact with bodily fluids. The hemorrhages caused are by and large dealt with by health professionals (in the US), and they are the ones that need to carry the most concern.

In the poorer, stricken countries of Western Africa, the main contributing factors to the spread include lack of good hygiene, especially with handling of the dead, and lack of quality medical infrastructure.

Caution is certainly advised, but over-reaction and scared media hype is not helping things.
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MSG Brad Sand
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I hope you are right. The difference between Ebola and the other viruses you mentioned is the level, speed or rate of death. These are some of the worse and best things about Ebola.
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Maj Tony Lucas
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It's going to take more deaths for the apathetic to get real about this problem. Our political leadership is weak on the issue and our aid response to affected countries is even worse.

It's knocking on our door folks...
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Maj Tony Lucas

It is not knocking on the door, it is in the house...talk to the people in Dallas.
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Maj Tony Lucas
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agreed MSG - but I think I'll pass on talking to the folks in Dallas - at least for a while.
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Cpl Aaron Nelson
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1975..

More recently: As soon as it landed on our shores.

If this outbreak were to occur during any other administration I would most likely be less concerned about a possible epidemic. Currently, I feel I should prepare for a pandemic. Even if it's not easily contracted, which it isn't that hard, the ineptitude of our current Bumblers in Chief does little to ease my concerns. This whole thing has all the signs of a huge cluster f**k about to happen if officials don't get their heads out of their rears
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Cpl Aaron Nelson
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I'm just east of Dallas, down I20. A buddy of mine in Rockwall received a letter from the city advising that four residents are known to have been on the Cleveland fight, but they don't know the identities of those people. I believe he got it yesterday. It's a little disconcerting that the city is unaware of possibly infectious people lurking around the town.
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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We can rest easy now. A "czar" has been appointed. We know we are safe now that a politician has been appointed to oversee this issue!

(Yes, that was sarcasm)
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Cpl Aaron Nelson
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With no medical experience to boot.. I am SO relieved..
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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Maybe he can apply his training to filing for a restraining order to keep ebola away?
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! dead American should be enough but the problem in my opinion, don't quote me on this, is that the people working higher up in the CDC and elsewhere don't know what they're dealing with and/or how to handle it. In Norfolk, VA there is a standing order that anyone presenting with Ebola like symptoms is to be immediately Quarantined from others in a seperate exam room until Ebola can be ruled out. They also have that if we recieve a confirmed Ebola case patient is to be moved into the Quarantine rooms in the main hospital and PPE worn at all times with De-con afterwards. This is what the US CDC needs to do. They need to fully Quarantine this Virus and treat it as it is clasified. SEVERE INFECTIOUS DISEASE. I'm from Dallas and my entire family lives there. My grandfather flies in and out of DFW very often. I'm constantly worried with how there seems to be no quarantine of the infected patients how soon will my grandfather and 100 of thousands of americans get the Virus.
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PO1 Ernie Foster That is a good point too. Especially since flu season is coming up and Flu shots are starting to be given. Maybe a good idea qould be to develop a rapid test to test for ebola. But then again that cost alot of money and takes time to be able to complete.
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PO1 Ernie Foster Thank you for that information. I hadn't realised there was already a test out. i definately agree though that limiting travel is a good idea. Allthough i believe too that we need to do alot better jobs at the airports, have scanners there and Quarantine rooms for anyone coming from overseas that have been in one of the countries to at least try to slow down the spread. If you can cut the spread by 50% that makes it much easier to control.
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Cpl Chris Rice
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The viral load is not high enough in the asymptomatic patient to be contagious, although the Nurse was supposedly running a fever of the 99.5F I have been taught afebrile in an oral temp of 98.6-100.4F. The measures that the OP wants taken by every health care professional to quarantine for 21 days after any contact (If I understand correctly) are excessive IMO. On any given day you may walk by, touch, or talk to a CNA, RN, MD, APRN, or Whatever who has provided care for TB, MRSA, Varicella, the Flu, VRE, HAV, HBV, C-Diff and a whole host of other nasty crap.
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