Posted on Apr 8, 2015
LTJG Officer in training for Submarine Warfare qualification
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This is mainly just a curiosity question on what the military community at large things about officers and enlisted engaging in personal relationships. Feel free to provide any stories that you may have received over your time in the military.
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COL Charles Williams
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Actually, In the Army, 600-20 governs the rare instances this is allowable. (They are Rare) I suspect the USN and all other branches have similar regulations. Since it appears you are training to be a Commissioned Officer I would offer that the first thing you need to know if you have a question is what is the standard (regulation, policy etc.). Second, you number one mission as an Officer (before mission accomplishment, taking care of Soldiers (Sailors), and improving your organization), is to model (live) your services values. This is what 600-20 (Army Command Policy) says:

(2) Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by operational requirements, and intimate or sexual relationships between officers and enlisted personnel, or NCOs and junior enlisted Soldiers. This prohibition does not apply to the following:

(a) When evidence of fraternization between an officer and enlisted member or an NCO and a junior enlisted Soldier prior to their marriage exists, their marriage does not preclude appropriate command action based on the prior fraternization. Commanders have a wide range of responses available including counseling, reprimand, order to cease, reassignment, administrative action, or adverse action. Commanders must carefully consider all of the facts and circumstances in reaching a disposition that is appropriate. Generally, the commander should take the minimum action necessary to ensure that the needs of good order and discipline are satisfied.

(b) Situations in which a relationship that complies with this policy would move into noncompliance due to a change in status of one of the members (for instance, a case where two junior enlisted members are dating and one is subsequently commissioned or selected to be a WO, commissioned officer, or NCO). In relationships where one of the
enlisted members has entered into a program intended to result in a change in his or her status from enlisted to officer or junior enlisted Soldier to NCO, the couple must terminate the relationship permanently or marry within one year of the date of the appointment or the change in status occurs.

(c) Personal relationships between members of the National Guard or Army Reserve, when the relationship primarily exists due to civilian acquaintanceships, unless the individuals are on AD (other than AT), on FTNGD (other than AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.

(d) Personal relationships between members of the RA and members of the National Guard or Army Reserve when the relationship primarily exists due to civilian association and the RC member is not on AD (other than AT), on FTNGD (other than AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.

(e) Prohibited relationships involving dual status military technicians, which were not prohibited under previously existing rules and regulations, are exempt until 1 March 2015.

(f) Soldiers and leaders share responsibility for ensuring that these personal relationships do not interfere with good order and discipline. Commanders will ensure that personal relationships that exist between Soldiers of different grades emanating from their civilian careers will not influence training, readiness, or personnel actions.
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COL Charles Williams
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It is just what the regulations says... always a good place to start... CW5 Charlie Poulton
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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1) Pre-existing relationship. As an example. I had an active duty wife in the Band. Later in her Career she could have gone WO. Should she or I have to give up our respective careers? What if I had the opportunity to pursue a commission? Should she have to get out?

2) Different Services. Completely different chain of commands. It's not Frat.

3) Reserve / Active. Reservists are "civilians" most of the time, and trying to apply military logic to civilian relationships doesn't always work.
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SrA Edward Vong
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If it's not within the chain of command and it doesn't negatively affect mission, morale, or best interest, it shouldn't be a big deal. I have a very liberal mindset when it comes to social issues from within the military, ultimately I am all about the mission. Mission comes first before anything else, this be in corporate, or military life. If a relationship jeopardizes the mission in anyway, it needs to end.
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CPT Hhc Company Commander
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There are some very sticky situations. On active duty it should be restricted to prior relationships.

Reserve side gets blurry, but should NEVER compromise the integrity of chain of command or give the appearance of potential favoritism. I recently learned of a situation where two Soldiers that were dating took an APFT, one as the grader for the other. Situations like this are inexcusable, and can be very damaging to morale and the integrity of the entire command. The fact that neither party fixed the situation is astounding to me....but fortunately things were put into place to ensure that this situation does not happen again.

I strongly advise against it, but I do remember that as a token LT when we mobilized, I had 2 options: Sit on my own and not talk to anyone, since everyone commissioned was either in a position of positional superiority (PAs, OICs, etc), or had brought their families and had zero interest in socializing within the unit. My second option was to become a hermit for a year and avoid talking to anyone. So....I simply was very careful. I chose my friends carefully and made sure that they understood that this was "Jon" vs. "LT Butler", and that I would not hesitate to do the right thing when on orders, despite our personal relationships.
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BG David Fleming III
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Fraternization should be discouraged as much as possible. I understand those "rare" incidences where a prior relationship existed, but I still can not condone it. The reg's are very clear on this, No Fraternization between officer and enlisted!!! If you love them, aren't they worth giving up your commission for or getting out completely? If the answer is no, stop it before you get too deep! Just my 2 cents.
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Capt Logistics Readiness Officer (LRO)
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It's most appropriate if it's before commissioning/enlistment or after one's service is done, IMHO. I wouldn't go trolling for an enlisted date amongst members of a different branch, but that is less of an evil of the same branch. I think the chain of command one (even if they're different) is a faux pas.
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SGT Corey Franks
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Most of these answers are ok with me. But never in the same unit
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It seems to be quite common in hospital settings for and officer to be married to an enlisted soldier mostly ncos though
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SrA Matthew Knight
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My opinion: Anytime.

Correct Answer: When they knew each other prior to either the commission, enlistment or both. Examples would be two who were both enlisted and one commissioned, or they knew each other prior to one or both joining the military in the first place such as high school classmates. Also the two members shouldn't be in the same command however this could possibly happen.
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CPT Senior Instructor
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I suppose you mean dating or courting another person by relationship. Keep in mind that as officers our actions speak very loudly among the ranks. There are certain actions that we can do but should never do as to keep the integrity of the Officer Corps. Dating or courting one is a serious endeavor that can go wrong in so many instances. It is not that you shouldn't but once you commission I would pretty much rule out an enlisted female in the Army. You don't have to but it would best be left alone.

If you were already dating then you are already when you are in our commissioning program you may have to make a decision. First off, you shouldn't break off a relation solely based on your career. It makes for putting your career first too much. But one should realize that the Army doesn't respect those who are dating when it comes to duty stations.

If you are an officer and are entering into a relationship with an enlisted soldier, irregardless of you units, she will be thought to be receiving favor. I guarantee the first time that something goes wrong with her and her unit that LT or CPT that she is dating will show up to make things worse. I am sure the "while my boyfriend/girlfriend is an officer too and they said different" will also come up. It just make for a messy situation that would be better left alone.
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SSG Dylan Tyahla
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Personally I served over 10 year and I know of some cases. I steered clear but being out now I think the military has no right to tell you who to love. I understand why this was put in place. But I belief as long as it if outside the chain of command it should be allowed.
It reminds of dual military couples living together while deployed. What some said was unfair; of the fact a new Pvt can come into unit with wife and get housing while a 6 year SPC is still stuck in barracks. The military is family friendly if you have one not if you are trying to make one.
The military is different lifestyle but it over steps a lot of the time if anything it should protect the freedoms of of the men and women serving not infringe on them.
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