Posted on Feb 5, 2016
CPT Jack Durish
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Let's eliminate the obvious. He has already been presented with the pros and cons of firearm ownership and the various arguments over the 2nd Amendment, and made his informed choice to purchase and keep a firearm for home defense. Of course I recommended that he obtain professional training in the proper maintenance and safe handling of whatever he purchases.

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=revolver

I had recommended the Taurus .45 cal/.410 shotgun. Actually, I'm considering one for myself. It seems to me that having a virtually nonlethal round in the first chamber would be desirable for someone who might be hesitant to pull the trigger, even when he, his family and home are threatened. The .45 Long would then provide effective stopping force for anyone who didn't take the hint. Also, I feel that revolvers are inherently more reliable, especially in the hands of a novice.

Wouldn't you know it, California has banned the sale of this weapon because it fires a shotgun shell. Oh the horror! A .410!

I advised him to go to another state and get one if he really wanted it. (That's what I'm likely to do)

However, what other options would you recommend?
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SSG Nathaniel Bendel
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I wouldn't recommend any firearm to someone who has little to no firearms training. The possibility for something to go wrong here is too great. My recommendation would be to start taking some classes at a local range or shop. Most have introductory classes for beginners and some offer classes to help new shooters select a firearm they're comfortable with. The training should happen BEFORE the firearms purchase. After that, it's simply a matter of what they're comfortable with. The debates will rage on about what's best; rifle, shotgun, or handgun. They'll just need to educate themselves on the subject and make an informed decision.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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I'm in total agreement.
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SSG Terry O'Donal
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And how many so called "mass shooting" were accomplished by novices? Very few. Almost all in the news were carried out by experienced shooters with no thought as to the morality of their actions and the consequences thereafter. Think "las Vegas" for one.
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SSG Edward Tilton
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The threat is imaginary so an imaginary weapon will do.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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The threat is imaginary until it is not imaginary. My wife carries and has since before it was legal. She traveled all over the state and often got home after 10 pm. I trained my daughter and bought her a gun when she was in college. She and the girls she lived with in an apartment were having boys stand outside and holler nasty things to them. She was afraid. When you really need a gun it is too late to go buy one.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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Skip the handgun, get a Mossberg 500 for home defense.
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SSgt Cynthia Hamilton
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...with little or no training...

No gun at all...
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LCpl George Gocheff
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AMEN
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LCpl George Gocheff
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CPO Byron Sargent A reasonable recommendation for persons with experience only.
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LCpl George Gocheff
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SGT William Howell 10-4 on that - but training &/or experience. There's nothing more intimidating than to hear a shotgun racking up a round at o-dark-30.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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In order:

1) Shotgun (yes, I know it's not a handgun). It is the classic "Point & Click" mechanism. Generally speaking, you don't have to "aim" it, you "point" it, and you can point it from across a room AT the door. and still hit your target. Additionally, the racking of a shotgun has a very "distinct" sound akin to that of a rattlesnake in that it can cause visceral level fear in anyone that is familiar with it's sound.

2) S&W Revolver. (357 magnum). The advantage of revolvers is that you don't have to "clear" them. If you have a "misfire" you just pull the trigger again. Rinse and repeat. A .357 is a pumped up 9mm or .38, but it will give someone a hell of a bad day. Yes you only have 5 rounds, but generally speaking people have an easier time firing revolvers than pistols. Part of it is ergonomics, and part of it is mechanics. An additional benefit of the .357 is the reduced cost of practice (you can supplement training with .38)

3) Glock .40 or 9mm. I like "bigger is better" (my carry is a .45) but 40/9mm are generally the most popular so availability of ammo and accessories can be a big deal. Alternately look at the XD from Springfield (great gun and I like it better than the Glock, but it's just not as wide spread).

Edit: CPT Jack Durish Based on your edit, I provide the following "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6."

Taurus is the "farm equipment" of handguns. Inexpensive, reliable, and with good longevity.

However, the logic of having a non-lethal round in the SECOND chamber (remember it spins and the hammer engaged the NEXT round) gets a little more complex. I'd almost recommend and Empty one rather than Non-lethal. That adrenaline rush is going to happen and the trigger is going to be pulled in sequence until an empty chamber is hit, which forces conscious thought.
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SP5 Hugh Brown
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Wow, I am in agreement with your recommendation of the revolver, but I don’t understand the thinking of an empty chamber being second in the cylinder. What if you miss with the first shot, and only get a click the second pull? That seems to me like it would create instant panic, especially in the circumstance of an inexperienced gun owner.
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SGT Chester Beedle
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At 25 yards the spread of a 12 gauge with buckshot is only about 8 inches. The advantage of a shotgun or any long gun is that it's easier and faster to aim.
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CSM Bruce Trego
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I like the shotgun with someone who is trained and understands how to use it. I would say that the size of the barrel itself would encourage an antagonist to leave them alone. The pistol is a good selection too. It has more than capable stopping power and, with .38 caliber rounds, can be used for practice relatively cheaply. It depends on which makes you feel comfortable.
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SSgt Ronald Krogel
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None initially for someone with zero knowledge. I would first want them to understand the limits and laws. Then use cases. Then take into account their health. My 83-year-old mother-in-law had to switch from a semi to a revolver due to arthritis. And we all made sure she had training. Safety first, always.

Not just the weapon, also need to take into account reliability, stopping power, and over-penetration depending on where you live, the potential for over-penetration hurting innocents, etc. So knowledge of different ammunition such as frangible rounds and stopping power are all good to know. And again, knowing the laws where you live. It is easier to identify what not to recommend, rimfire or long rifles.

I could not recommend anything unless they did research first and were willing to train. And if not willing to take a life, then nothing.
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Which handgun would you recommend to someone with little or no firearms training or experience, for home protection?
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The first issue is: little to no training. This person should get to the range and spend some time with an instructor on the proper handling and basic marksmanship. After they become safe and proficient with firearms. They should consider a pump shotgun for home defense. The sound it makes is distinct and often times will serve as ample warning to GTFO of the house. Identify the target and point the barrel in the general direction pull the trigger and that should do the trick. If they are looking for a pistol, then they should consider a double action revolver. It is the simplest to operate and offers the least trouble while firing. If you have a misfire then pull the trigger again. But the first thing they should do is get instruction by a professional. If they really want to get some training, have them look into IDPA.
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for home protection I'd recommend a pump shotgun, with #2 shot.
The shotgun is much better in the close quarters of a house and #2 shot will take out the perp without gpoing through the walls into the neighbors house.
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SP5 Hugh Brown
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I agree with you that a shotgun is a more lethal weapon, but any size shot will take out the perp at the close range in a house, even #9.
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And your neighbor would appreciate it!
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The simplest and easiest to maintain will be revolver, many options of which can be had from Smith & Wesson. Otherwise, I would recommend that he go to the local gunshot that has a range, and sample their various rental guns until he finds one that's fits his needs. Advise his to stay away from any semi-auto that costs less than $400, as you get what you pay for.
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CPT Jack Durish
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I totally agree
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Ditto. Revolvers are much simpler mechanically than an auto pistol. It would be a good starting point.
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SSG James Snider
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Disagree with your comment about sub $400 pistols. Mossberg and Taurus both make viable pistols that are proof you don't need a $900 sig or Glock to be functional.
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SGT David Jackson
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I've put a few hundred rounds through the G2C, no jams misfires or misfeeds, and extremely "usefully" accurate, with the size of the shot group totally dependent on the shooter's consistency. $220 plust tax, new.
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CPT Steven Cunningham
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As an NRA certified instructor, I have some don't s and do's. Don't take the salesman's advice. Don't buy a tiny light-weight pistol (recoil bites). Do get training FIRST. Do test fire several choices at a range and buy the one that is comfortable and you shoot well with. Consider the advantages of long guns versus hand guns for where you live (city, rural, apartment) and who else is within range of poorly aimed bullets & shot.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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With little to no experience, you would want to go simple. Revolver is probably the best choice for a person new to firearms. A .357 revolver with six rounds is all you should need for home defense. Ultimately the best case would be to have the individual perpetrating the crime to see the firearm, and abandon their intentions. Worst case scenario, .357 is going to make someone regret that they didn't leave when they had the chance.

I had a similar question posed on FB, and I responded that before a person every acquires a firearm for home defense, they need to really consider if they would have the ability to use that firearm against another human being. If the individual does not have the ability to use the weapon when forced, then it becomes a liability that is more likely to harm than help. Once that question is answered, proper training in the use of the firearm is essential. It does no good to have the firearm, have the resolve, but lack the skills necessary to wield the firearm effectively.
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SSG Nathaniel Bendel
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The Taurus Judge is illegal in CA because it is considered a short barreled shotgun. Getting one in another state and bringing it into CA is illegal. If he ever used it in self defense he would have a hell of a time defending himself in court for using an illegal firearm. CA is very strict about stuff like that and has jailed people for using what they consider "excessive force" in the act of self defense. I recommend he get advice from a lawyer before purchasing that particular firearm.
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PO1 John Miller
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That is just one of the reasons I left California and moved to Arizona. I can buy a Judge at the BX here!
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SSG Nathaniel Bendel
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PO1 John Miller - North Idaho for me.
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CPO Byron Sargent
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An out of state gun dealer would not even sell him a handgun.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SGT Jerrold Pesz How can one exit California? Traffic becomes so congested that you must select a departure time to coincide with your destination’s particular location and the time of day for your anticipated arrival!

I am extremely constrained by the copious traffic! My sons, living in other states, have no mercy when I complain to them .
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Capt Richard I P.
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Edited 10 y ago
Edit: I read far better responses than my own.

1. purchasing a firearm without training is like buying a car without knowing how to drive. Essentially a pointless exercise, unless planning on buying the training at once.

2. I would recommend buying training first. At least the magpul dynamics DVDs (very cheap and effective) then making a more informed decision, art of the dynamic handgun goes into detail on several pistols.

3. I agree on a shotgun as a primary home defense weapon.

4. Revolvers in my mind are a risk, they're good for as many rounds are in the chamber (often a lot less than any semi-auto), unless you're a very skilled speedloader.

5. All that said, recommended purchases: 1. Training 2. Ruger 10/22 carbine (plenty lethal inside of 50m and minimal overpenetration risk, far more accurate than a pistol, no recoil fear) 2. Mossberg 500 or remington 870 (hard to miss, must train to recoil and pump manual of arms, cornering and clearing malfunctions) 3. Glock g 17 (simple out of the box, affordable, moderate level of training required lots of rounds in a small package).
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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First off concur on all points. However:

1) Assumption is that "Buying to Train" is taking place. It's MUCH easier to train if you own your own equipment.
2) Excellent advice!
3) Nothing to add.
4) I believe you have said (or quoted yourself) "The purpose of a handgun is to get to your primary weapon [sic]" See #4. The advantage of a Revolver is they don't "jam" compared to a pistol. It's an offset risk.
5) Only difference I would recommend is the G22 over the G17, but that's a preference thing.
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SSG James Snider
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Both of you, good conversation!
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