Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Why are Machine Guns legal? What does anyone need with one?
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I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
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"This is Murica, If I can Afford it, I should be able to buy it no questions asked". *SARCASM MUCH*
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First and foremost it is our right as Americans to keep and bare arms granted by the constitution which you have sworn to uphold and protect, period. Any attempt by the government to impose gun laws is a slippery slope. It opens up government to impose all types of regulations against citizens without regard to the constitution. I live in the desert southwest and own a machete, a device terrorists have used to decapitate people in the middle east. Honestly, I don't have a need for the machete, but it could be considered a weapon. Should I surrender it to the government because it "might" be used as a weapon? What's most frustrating is that, if imposed, only law abiding citizens will comply, leaving those who give up their gun (no matter what type) without protection against those who wish to do harm. I don't know why soooo many people in the US are incapable of understanding that.
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Maj Christopher Armour
Except that the supreme court has repeatedly ruled that the right to bear arms is an individual one. All due respect to Chief Justice Burger, but its nine Justices that made that determination, not one. And the individual right argument existed long before there was anything resembling a gun lobby.
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TSgt Michael Williamson
US vs Verdugo Urquidez. Heller vs DC, McDonald vs Chicago. There were others.
Even the famous Miller case that is falsely claimed to endorse gun control stated to the effect, "We haven't seen any evidence that a short barreled shotgun is a militarily useful weapon." They are. There was no evidence presented because Miller was dead and his public defender couldn't afford the trip to DC gratis. And one of the Justices openly stated he wasn't going to find for an "Indian." "But it's understood that the militia provide their own weapons for a militarily useful context."
So even the SINGLE CASE claimed to support federal restrictions on firearms endorses the possession of MILITARILY USEFUL WEAPONS by civilians.
Even the famous Miller case that is falsely claimed to endorse gun control stated to the effect, "We haven't seen any evidence that a short barreled shotgun is a militarily useful weapon." They are. There was no evidence presented because Miller was dead and his public defender couldn't afford the trip to DC gratis. And one of the Justices openly stated he wasn't going to find for an "Indian." "But it's understood that the militia provide their own weapons for a militarily useful context."
So even the SINGLE CASE claimed to support federal restrictions on firearms endorses the possession of MILITARILY USEFUL WEAPONS by civilians.
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CW3 Harvey K.
No. Justice Scalia did not invent the individual right to keep and bear arms. That was the original meaning, supported by Supreme Court opinions from Dred Scott (1857), to Cruikshank (1875), to Presser (1886) -- (The Presser decision also expressed a warning that “ The States cannot, ... prohibit the people [“all citizens”] from keeping and bearing arms...” or they would meddle with the Federal right to the militia duty of citizens, owed to the Federal Government.), to Miller (1939) all implicitly viewed the 2nd Amendment to protect an individual right, with no reference to "a state's right to have a militia".
There is not a whisper that the Miller SCOTUS ever considered any question of the career criminal defendants, selected for some political/legal theater, to be members of a "state organized militia", or even a "private army". They were only viewed as individuals, or "members of the public".
There is not a whisper that the Miller SCOTUS ever considered any question of the career criminal defendants, selected for some political/legal theater, to be members of a "state organized militia", or even a "private army". They were only viewed as individuals, or "members of the public".
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Why is the Constitution/Bill of Rights a legal document? Do we really need it??
You left out an important word in your statement...i.e., "want"...Anytime a person/s goes to
a store shopping typically should say, Do I want this, or do I need this? You need water to
live...but I would like to have the money that is required to purchase a Machine Gun that I "want", if that is, in fact, what you are talking about...e.g., An M16 can be considered a Machine Gun if it's in full auto mode OR, are you talking about an M2 .50 cal Machine Gun? In either case if you can buy it and feed it, then that is all the NEED and WANT you can handle. Whatever the type of Machine Gun you're really talking about is typically used in plinking in a safe area. So Why Not? When the going gets tough, the tough get going and I NEED a Big Boy when we just might be needing it within the next few years when ISIS, etc. comes here. I grew up in the era of the 40's, 50's where there was NO "NEED" to have a gun, but living in today's era, I want and need a friend that
will protect me from anyone who tries to do me or my family harm. My friend's name is Thunder.
You left out an important word in your statement...i.e., "want"...Anytime a person/s goes to
a store shopping typically should say, Do I want this, or do I need this? You need water to
live...but I would like to have the money that is required to purchase a Machine Gun that I "want", if that is, in fact, what you are talking about...e.g., An M16 can be considered a Machine Gun if it's in full auto mode OR, are you talking about an M2 .50 cal Machine Gun? In either case if you can buy it and feed it, then that is all the NEED and WANT you can handle. Whatever the type of Machine Gun you're really talking about is typically used in plinking in a safe area. So Why Not? When the going gets tough, the tough get going and I NEED a Big Boy when we just might be needing it within the next few years when ISIS, etc. comes here. I grew up in the era of the 40's, 50's where there was NO "NEED" to have a gun, but living in today's era, I want and need a friend that
will protect me from anyone who tries to do me or my family harm. My friend's name is Thunder.
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SPC Luis Mendez
PO3 (Join to see) - You need a psychological exam just to make sure you can be stopped before you go out there and become another statistic. But an Incompetent Constitution and a Corrupt Politico-legal system protects the so called "rights" of your kind.
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TSgt Michael Williamson
SPC Luis Mendez - Wow. Judgmental much? If you saw my collection, YOU'D need therapy. And a diaper.
Here's what I had in the way of just revolvers, a couple of years ago. They date from 1859 to the present:
Here's what I had in the way of just revolvers, a couple of years ago. They date from 1859 to the present:
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Well at least you asked the question. But from a state of ignorance hard for me to believe, from any Sgt., anywhere. Mind numbing actually. I'm not even gonna go where I'm sure many others here will to correct your errors, confusion, fallacies etc when it comes to NFA weapons. Pay attention, and pass it on. There are way too many dumb asses out there that believe the BS taught to them by a dumb assed media. I just didn't realize that there where any in the military.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
Cpl Dennis F. There is no need for your Rude Sarcasm...and as for being a Sgt....I was in the USAF and NON combat. Stationed at a Hospital...I had no need for guns and the USAF didn't teach me about guns or how to use one.
You sir DID NOT READ my QUESTION! It was a question...out of curiosity....not something STUPID or Dumb Ass...Not something that you should be on here putting me down because I asked a question.
Shame on you...You Sir have NO INTEGRITY or HUMILITY. Shame on you for being such a JERK!
Cpl (Join to see) PO1 John Miller
You sir DID NOT READ my QUESTION! It was a question...out of curiosity....not something STUPID or Dumb Ass...Not something that you should be on here putting me down because I asked a question.
Shame on you...You Sir have NO INTEGRITY or HUMILITY. Shame on you for being such a JERK!
Cpl (Join to see) PO1 John Miller
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Cpl Dennis F.
Sgt Kelli Mays - ....and you, apparently, did not bother to read my statement, or you would see that I did not refer to YOU as dumb assed or stupid or personally attack you. I addressed the soap box that you got on after asking your question (That has already been adequately addressed by the 2nd amendment and the numerous NFA regulations that have been repeatedly pointed out to you). I suggest that what you wished to hear were PC agreements to your repeated misinformation even after having the facts pointed out to you, many times. Just because you read nonsense on the internet and in the press, does not make it true. You have the choice to learn the facts, rather than attack me for my opinion and suggestions to you. My sympathies to you for your woefully inadequate firearms education while in the AF.
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Sgt Kelli Mays ... You have obviously never been in an environment where the mosquito's are as big as Blackhawks!!!! Seriously though... I think its neat to have a Full Auto weapon just because I was serving at the time they went extinct. They have no real value for combat anymore as the missions have changed and the COC has decided to make operations more surgical than just throwing wildly lead down range and hoping to hit someone.
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From the way you wrote your question, I believe you have a misconception of what is defined as a "machine gun". An automatic rifle requires one to pay a tax and register the weapon. In most cases, it involves a lot more steps then people are willing to go through. What you need to understand is, none of the recent shootings which start these arguments had anything to do with an automatic weapon. Recent shootings were all carried out with semi-auto weapons, most of which are legal to have (and should be).
Now that we established the difference between auto and semi-auto the argument goes on to demonize "assault rifle" (which is not clearly defined but can include both auto and semi-auto categories). The real difference though is the look and design of the weapon, which, in many cases there are rifles which do not meet the "assault" criteria and still have the exact same capabilities. So, what would you suggest we ban and why?
Next, the argument speaks of the magazine capacities. Arguments suggest "you don't need to be able to shoot more than 10 bullets." Who are they to tell me how to protect myself and those around me? The recent shootings in TN demonstrate a perfect answer to this issue. Two individuals on the Navy Reserve station ignored the existing regs on carrying a weapon on a military installation and managed to return fire against the assailant. The thing is, they were unable to take him down. Could it be they didn't have enough bullets for a firefight? What if there were multiple assailants? What if this is the first time you've ever used a gun and realized that shooting under pressure might cause you to miss? The fact is, limiting the number of bullets by law will not prevent bad guys from complying with that law. All we do is limit our means to defend ourselves. It's bad enough that just about every one of the recent shootings since Columbine were carried out in gun free zones were the bad guy has a good chance of not getting shot by a CCL holder.
So how do we fix the problem you might ask... How about we lift the laws which create "gun free" zones and encourage law abiding citizens to train, earn their CCL, and carry their weapons into these places? Those who care for people who have mental health issues/challenges should also be held accountable for their actions if they choose to own weapons. Those who are diagnosed with a severe enough mental health issue or challenge should be placed on a registry as well which should bar them from purchasing a firearm. This will not solve the problem as it cannot be fully solved, but banning guns will only make things worse.
Now that we established the difference between auto and semi-auto the argument goes on to demonize "assault rifle" (which is not clearly defined but can include both auto and semi-auto categories). The real difference though is the look and design of the weapon, which, in many cases there are rifles which do not meet the "assault" criteria and still have the exact same capabilities. So, what would you suggest we ban and why?
Next, the argument speaks of the magazine capacities. Arguments suggest "you don't need to be able to shoot more than 10 bullets." Who are they to tell me how to protect myself and those around me? The recent shootings in TN demonstrate a perfect answer to this issue. Two individuals on the Navy Reserve station ignored the existing regs on carrying a weapon on a military installation and managed to return fire against the assailant. The thing is, they were unable to take him down. Could it be they didn't have enough bullets for a firefight? What if there were multiple assailants? What if this is the first time you've ever used a gun and realized that shooting under pressure might cause you to miss? The fact is, limiting the number of bullets by law will not prevent bad guys from complying with that law. All we do is limit our means to defend ourselves. It's bad enough that just about every one of the recent shootings since Columbine were carried out in gun free zones were the bad guy has a good chance of not getting shot by a CCL holder.
So how do we fix the problem you might ask... How about we lift the laws which create "gun free" zones and encourage law abiding citizens to train, earn their CCL, and carry their weapons into these places? Those who care for people who have mental health issues/challenges should also be held accountable for their actions if they choose to own weapons. Those who are diagnosed with a severe enough mental health issue or challenge should be placed on a registry as well which should bar them from purchasing a firearm. This will not solve the problem as it cannot be fully solved, but banning guns will only make things worse.
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I would just like to say that you at least asked the right questions the right way and I thank you for that. And please take the responses you received to heart because they are the experts and they use the right terminology and are 100% correct! I truly hope this discussions gives you a better perspective on why and how people buy and use their particular choice of firearms.
Sgt Kelli Mays
CPT William Gordon Have you read some of the responses? I don't mind people telling me about the guns...how they work, what they use them for, why they want them...but have you seen some of the responses?!?!?! Calling me names...putting me down...yeah, I like the first part of your response, but I cannot TAKE TO HEART about 50% of the responses because those who were SARCASTIC, RUDE and degrading, well I just find them irresponsible inconsiderate jerks.
And then there are those who throw the 2nd amendment in my face...some with explanations which is ok, but then the others who throw it in my face and are rude and or sarcastic about it....Nope, cannot take those responses to heart...
......but for those who gave me their opinions....who explained things...yep...I'll take those to heart and appreciate them.
And for better perspective....yes, but I don't like it and have come to the conclusion that the ones in crimes are those who jeri rigged them with kits or other things....and better perspective of who has integrity on this site and who are just down right Jerks.
And then there are those who throw the 2nd amendment in my face...some with explanations which is ok, but then the others who throw it in my face and are rude and or sarcastic about it....Nope, cannot take those responses to heart...
......but for those who gave me their opinions....who explained things...yep...I'll take those to heart and appreciate them.
And for better perspective....yes, but I don't like it and have come to the conclusion that the ones in crimes are those who jeri rigged them with kits or other things....and better perspective of who has integrity on this site and who are just down right Jerks.
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Sorry Sgt. People can be ass holes and of course their responses are not the ones I was referring to. I of course hold people to a higher standard and just because someone holds a different opinion doesn't mean I'm going to act like a first class ass. You asked a ligit question and the responses that I read at that time were pretty decent. But I can only speak for myself. I own guns both handguns and AR-15s. My wife carries as well. We are both trained in how to handle weapons in questionable situations and would rather have and not need than need and not have.
In another story about the so called "leftest agenda" to "disarm the American people" I defended the idea of making people be licensed in order to own a firearm . . . sounds pretty liberal of me. But when it comes to machine guns . . . apply the same standards - liscensing and training then HELLZ YEA. I figure make the standards to be allowed to own and operate firearms higher and once they're met (an easy task for anyone on this fourum, no doubt) open the trottle on what they can buy! I mean, you can kill someone just as dead with an ar15 that is fully auto as with an ar15 that is semi auto. How come range day has to be less splody because of some misguided belief that limiting the amount of rounds you put down range in a minute somehow magically limits the effectiveness of said rounds.
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