Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Why are Machine Guns legal? What does anyone need with one?
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/04/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-should-americans-be-able-to-own-machine-guns/
I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
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You and your ignorance are a prime example of just where to start with the hundreds of thousands of people that are ignorant about firearms and that is wrong in the US in regards to firearms and firearm ownership
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PO1 John Miller
SGT Tim Henson
Did you read all of the replies or just the original post? If you had, you would probably understand that Sgt Kelli Mays may have worded her post badly but was asking an honest question because she was uneducated on the topic. There is no need for personal attacks.
Did you read all of the replies or just the original post? If you had, you would probably understand that Sgt Kelli Mays may have worded her post badly but was asking an honest question because she was uneducated on the topic. There is no need for personal attacks.
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It's the same logic that:
Why don't we all drive the same car? Why have cars that go above the speed limit? Let all have the same car and this will stop DUIs...
Why don't we all drive the same car? Why have cars that go above the speed limit? Let all have the same car and this will stop DUIs...
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I can't believe that a military person is asking such a question and embarrassing herself in front of other military personnel. If you are in the military and don't know the difference between an AR15 semiautomatic and an M16 Automatic then you've confirmed what I've heard about the Air Force. It's not a military force. Surely somewhere there are manuals you can refer to in the base education office or where you can access the internet for information?
By the way civilians have not been allowed to own "machine guns" since 1932.
By the way civilians have not been allowed to own "machine guns" since 1932.
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Cpl Dennis F.
Civilians have not been allowed to "openly purchase" (such as farmers buying Thompsons for pest control from Sears and other mail orders) machine guns since 1934 NFA. Since then, purchasing, after ATF approval, paid taxes, and back ground check with finger printing was allowed. Since then other laws have been instituted to limit and restrict ownership, mail order sale, import and particularly manufacture of MGs. narrowing the quantity available for legal transfer and driving the prices to those of an exotic car.
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First of all, the only machine guns in civilian circulation were made and registered before 1986. Any machine guns, or any fully automatic guns for that matter, manufactured after 1986 are for government use only. That said, just a registered receiver will bring $10,000 or more. It's not something just anybody is able to get. Then there's the ATF Form 1 and subsequent background check that's nearly top-secret-clearance in depth. Semi-auto on the other hand is a whole different story. Until the price gauging started, an AK or SKS was a great option for an inexpensive short-range heavy-timber deer rifle. AR's have been used for prairie dogs and coyotes for years, and deer in some states. Compared to Browning, Weatherby, or Sako, an AR in 6.5grendal or 6.8spcII is comparable in price, but with the push of two pins can be converted to a .223 for practice, or coyote hunting, then converted again with a bcg swap for 22lr for plinking cans or rabbits. All on a platform that can be quickly adjusted for a full grown adult down to a youth size in seconds. There is definitely a reason to look at an AR as an all around, multipurpose rifle. The AK is nearly as versatile with an abundance of aftermarket parts for them.
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You're wrong, and your not pro second admendment.
Gun Control in this country has been happening since 1934 and President Roosevelt and President Regan both SUCK when it comes to their Gun policies.
In 1934 the National Firearms act was created, charging the average civilian $200 for the Right to possess a Silencer, a Short Barreled Rifle/shotgun, and a Machine gun. It made possession of these tools a 10 year felony per offense and a $10,000 fine. Now $200 back in 1934 was a ton of money, and even today it isn't cheap cost to be able to exercise a right that we are already have.
In 1986 President Roosevelt signed the Hughes admendment, which made new machine guns that weren't registered prior to 1986 illegal. Personally I'd like to see the Hughes admendment done away with.
Why does the Average American need a Car? Why do they need AC or Running Water? Why does the Average Civilian need the Internet? Why do they need Airplanes? Its not about Need, its about a right that was forceably taken and should be returned.
Gun Control in this country has been happening since 1934 and President Roosevelt and President Regan both SUCK when it comes to their Gun policies.
In 1934 the National Firearms act was created, charging the average civilian $200 for the Right to possess a Silencer, a Short Barreled Rifle/shotgun, and a Machine gun. It made possession of these tools a 10 year felony per offense and a $10,000 fine. Now $200 back in 1934 was a ton of money, and even today it isn't cheap cost to be able to exercise a right that we are already have.
In 1986 President Roosevelt signed the Hughes admendment, which made new machine guns that weren't registered prior to 1986 illegal. Personally I'd like to see the Hughes admendment done away with.
Why does the Average American need a Car? Why do they need AC or Running Water? Why does the Average Civilian need the Internet? Why do they need Airplanes? Its not about Need, its about a right that was forceably taken and should be returned.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
SrA Jonathan Carbonaro Just what exactly am I wrong about? I asked a question...I did not state a fact. I asked why are machine guns necessary? What are they good for? Should they really be legal? Did you even read my question?
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SrA Jonathan Carbonaro
I said you were wrong about being pro gun.
The Second amendment is very clear, and when we look historically what their intent was. Yes I read your question, and it was rambling and very hard to follow. Yes they should be legal, and we should do away with the laws dictating Class 3 weapons. Look no one is arguing for Tanks, Cannons, Mortars, Nukes etc.
Look I have the knowledge to make a machine gun, a true machine gun. I won't because I wouldn't be able to get approved by Uncle Sugar and the Fun police, and I don't want to go to jail. This issue is a whole lot bigger and you really have to dive deep into it to understand whats going on with gun laws.
The Second amendment is very clear, and when we look historically what their intent was. Yes I read your question, and it was rambling and very hard to follow. Yes they should be legal, and we should do away with the laws dictating Class 3 weapons. Look no one is arguing for Tanks, Cannons, Mortars, Nukes etc.
Look I have the knowledge to make a machine gun, a true machine gun. I won't because I wouldn't be able to get approved by Uncle Sugar and the Fun police, and I don't want to go to jail. This issue is a whole lot bigger and you really have to dive deep into it to understand whats going on with gun laws.
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Most Class 3 owner's have them because it's fun busting caps. But, I would be concerned if only the government had the ability to "protect" us. Who would protect us frome a government that shows contempt for the Constitution or the Rule Of Law? Maybe we do need some.
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Strictly speaking, *machine guns* aren't legal. Or, rather, there are a lot more rules that have to be complied with to own one legally than say a rifle, shotgun, or pistol. The owner must have a federal license, either as a collector or as a dealer. There are additional taxes that have to be paid. And such a weapon must be registered with the ATF.
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Never could I justify owning a firearm/weapon that could kill someone many times over with one squeeze of the trigger. For that matter, I haven't fired a gun/rifle since getting out of the Army in 1976. As I have no felony charges or any other background problems, methinks there would be no problem in my buying a rifle/gun. There should be, IMHO, proof that one has passed some form of basic firearms safety course before being allowed to purchase a weapon, but that will never happen. IF, and that's a -->BIG<-- 'if'...I ever purchased a firearm, it would be along the line of a Colt single-action 45. Currently, there are no weapons/guns/rifles in my home. That probably will not change. Stepping down from the soapbox now...
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TSgt Michael Williamson
Which other rights should require education to exercise? Isn't voting far more important and potentially dangerous to the country than a few guns? Shouldn't voters have to prove they're literate and informed?
Oh, wait--we tried that. It was no only unconstitutional, it created a class of people lower than the others.
As far as "Killing someone many times over," once they're dead, additional kills are kinda redundant unless they're a zombie.
Since you didn't learn it in the military (no judgment just an observation), here's a fun fact for you: My pump shotgun puts more 9mm pellets downrange more accurately and more powerfully than a full auto Uzi. But you're probably perfectly cool with pump 12 gauges for "Hunting."
Oh, wait--we tried that. It was no only unconstitutional, it created a class of people lower than the others.
As far as "Killing someone many times over," once they're dead, additional kills are kinda redundant unless they're a zombie.
Since you didn't learn it in the military (no judgment just an observation), here's a fun fact for you: My pump shotgun puts more 9mm pellets downrange more accurately and more powerfully than a full auto Uzi. But you're probably perfectly cool with pump 12 gauges for "Hunting."
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"Why are Machine Guns legal? What does anyone need with one"
"In my defense, I have to mention that at NAVSTA Puget Sound in WA, and NAVSTA Belle Chase in LA the raccoons were fierce. In Washington an officer ordered the night watch to go chase off the raccoons as they were fighting outside his window so he couldn't sleep. Said Petty Officer headed out and was greeted by a large group of raccoons standing up on hind legs daring him to get involved in their tussle. He turned around went back inside." PO3 Sherry Thornburg..
Wouldn't you like to have a Machine gun to scare off a bunch of noisy Raccoons who have been invading a few Navy Bases and keeping an officer from getting his/her(?) beauty sleep??.. These noisy Raccoons scared off a Navy Sentry who ran back into his guard shack ..so I suggested calling in the Marines who could bring along a 50 Cal Machine Gun and fire it above the heads of these pesty Raccoons ...that might help the Navy get a good night's sleep at WA...
"In my defense, I have to mention that at NAVSTA Puget Sound in WA, and NAVSTA Belle Chase in LA the raccoons were fierce. In Washington an officer ordered the night watch to go chase off the raccoons as they were fighting outside his window so he couldn't sleep. Said Petty Officer headed out and was greeted by a large group of raccoons standing up on hind legs daring him to get involved in their tussle. He turned around went back inside." PO3 Sherry Thornburg..
Wouldn't you like to have a Machine gun to scare off a bunch of noisy Raccoons who have been invading a few Navy Bases and keeping an officer from getting his/her(?) beauty sleep??.. These noisy Raccoons scared off a Navy Sentry who ran back into his guard shack ..so I suggested calling in the Marines who could bring along a 50 Cal Machine Gun and fire it above the heads of these pesty Raccoons ...that might help the Navy get a good night's sleep at WA...
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SPC Brian Aranda
I could see a medium to large string of firecrackers doing some good in this situation.
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