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It seems to me that officers are recogized far more often then enlisted soldiers. I mean an officer and junior enlisted could do the same exact thing, or an enlisted could do more then an officer and chances are the officer will be given a higher award. Why? I have been in for almost 8 years and only have 1 AAM which is my only actual award.
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MSG Stay At Home Dad
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Man, there are a LOT of officers responding with their thoughts on why the enlisted ranks don't get the amount or level of awards that officers get.

And most of these answers are hilarious. But only because I'm a RETIRED MSG and it doesn't matter to me anymore.

There is an unwritten law in the Army that the higher the rank you are, the higher the award you get for doing a thing. and I am not whining, it really doesn't matter to this retired Soldier so I am speaking objectively.

I have been on the receiving end of not getting the award that an officer who did the same thing DID get, I have put in Soldiers for Awards and seen officers that I put in get upgraded while enlisted (especially lower enlisted) get downgraded for THE SAME ACTIONS.

And when I have mentioned these discrepancies, I have been told "that must just be your unit," "that's probably not what happened," or my favorite, "you don't understand the dynamics of what happens at higher levels."

I WAS the higher damned level. I ran a Batalion and a Brigade S2 Section. And I repeatedly watched as enlisted Soldiers got awarded lesser awards than officers, often for events in which the enlisted Soldier did something well beyond the officer's actions.

This is an Army-wide issue, and one that has been going on for decades. In 1993 as a Private I got an Certificate of Achievement for beating the best time on the "Green Hell" obstacle course in Fort Sherman Panama. My partner, a junior NCO, got an AAM. Later I found out that two officers, a 1st Lieutenant and a Captain, recieved ARCOMs for getting the "best time," which wasn't actually the best time but what translated to the "best time for a pair of officers," which they happened to leave off of the award citation.

In Iraq in 2009 I put a couple of Soldiers in for ARCOMs for their actions in the Intel field. I put our OIC in for an ARCOM as well, because I knew that putting him in for anything less would be a ska in the face that would cause all of my Soldiers' Awards to get slapped down. Our OIC had only been with us for bout a third of the deployment, prior to that we were without an OIC, having myself and one other NCO to run things. Our OIC was awarded a Bronze Star, and most of my Soldiers received AAMs.

I and most NCOs have long understood that the system is INCREDIBLY flawed, and that one just needs to Lee their teeth together and grind it out because the people who would CHANGE the flawed system are the same people who currently BENEFIT from the flawed system - namely, officers. and it's not ONLY officers; Senior NCOs are often given awards that are WILDLY out of proportion for the actions they have taken. Not too long ago a 1SG got an ARCOM for reporting Soldiers who were complaining ONLINE about their leadership. This, to me, says that her "trolling" of these Soldiers is equal in merit to the Army as my actions in COMBAT that merited an ARCOM. Which is, obviously, fucking RIDICULOUS.

I am not trying to offer any type of fix for this, I am simply stating the facts: officers (and to an extent senior NCOs) receive preferential treatment when it comes to awards. Anyone who tells you different is either delusional, bullshitting, or an officer who is trying to defend a flawed system.

And that's okay. My DD-214 is two pages long with all of the damned awards and decorations I received by being in the wrong place at the wrong time for the Army over three different decades, and I've found that once you're out not a single one of them matters.

So drive on, Airborne. Huaa?
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CSM Thomas McGarry
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Well put and I have to totally agree!!
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1LT Peter Suedfeld
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CPT Jerry Lucas - A relevant historical fact might be that Eisenhower never personally participated in combat.
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SFC Lyle Green
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Explains it all!
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SFC Lyle Green
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1LT Peter Suedfeld - Combat!? North Africa, Italy, Assistant to McArthur in Pacific, etc.etc. The Supreme Allied Commander of all forces in The EU theater, who in their right mind would risk this tactical genius in mere combat? A fool. His decision, his tact, his "combat ability, knowledge, and execution of same, defeated the NAZI of Hitlers insanity in EU, no other could have, Montgomery tried...got slaughtered in his big idea of Operation Market Garden, Cohen, and many other failures. All due to pressure on Ike to allow him do so, against Ike's will.
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CPT Jack Durish
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A very reasonable question with a very simple answer. Junior officers, the ones in closet contact with enlisted personnel aren't very adept leaders. They are lucky to know how to do the simplest tasks of leadership let alone something sophisticated like recommending personnel for awards and decorations. Their immediate superiors aren't much better. However senior officers who are well aware of the significance that decorations can have on a military career rarely witness the accomplishments of the troops as individuals. What's the solution? If you witness an act of valor or a significant accomplishment that you feel is worthy of recognition, bring it to the attention of your immediate superior. Suggest a that they submit a recommendation for recognition if they're too dense to take the hint. Write it up yourself if you have to. Then hope that someone does the same for you when you deserve it. If anyone gives you trouble for following my advice, refer them to me.
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SFC Robert Walton
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CPT Jack Durish Nice comment Sir but not much more than an excuse.
I could sit here and tell you many time me and other should have gotten awards down through the years that they never received. There was paperwork for awards sent in by the COC and nothing happened or it was simply changed to an award for a Junior Officer was in many cases Not even involved except being the PLT LDR. I was a range NCO for a Weapons Qualification Range. The LT my Plt. Ldr. Was the OIC of the range did NOT even attend the range. I ended up running the whole range Got nothing The LT. when he arrived back to the Unit got and Award for the range. I didn't even get a Letter of Appreciation.
The paperwork was submitted According to the COC. Nothing came back. My whole career Many others enlisted were the same. After 22.5 Years i Retired At Division Because the BN. That i set a 1SG seat for Did Nothing. DiV. said i was getting a MSM for a retirement award. Amazing they handed me the medal and Ribbon and NO ORDERS. The Highest award i got from the Military was Retirement and a 2 1/2 ton truck load of letters of appreciation. The reasoning is Military wide. NCO's were told and drilled to put Soldiers in for awards. Only 1% of those that i put Soldiers in for were ever awarded.
At this point i am happy with what i got.
But i would like the real truth as to why it is that way Not just and excuse.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SFC Robert Walton - I'm sorry you read my response as an excuse. It certainly wasn't intended as one. Look again without the blinders of your personal experience. I simply said what I observed.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SSG Jack Simpson - Certainly, most NCOs felt it was their duty to train their butter bars to be officers, but they aren't qualified. There is a chasm between officers and enlisted that neither side is prepared to appreciate. However, it is reasonable that NCOs teach their butter bars how to be soldiers/sailors/airmen/Marines. Think about the environments in which officers train. Is there any similarity between a military academy and the military? Well, they do wear uniforms. How about colleges and universities where ROTC graduates "learn to be officers?" Okay, there is an occasional enlisted member who gains entrance to a military academy or who graduates from an ROTC program and returns to the service as an officer. I doubt an NCO is required to "teach them the ropes." And, of course there are the Mustangs. But that's another story...
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CPT Jack Durish
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MSG (Join to see) - Afghanistan came long after my service. I hope I qualified my opinion as pertinent to my time and experience. It would be nice to think that the services learned to train their officers better. However, given the fact that this complaint seems current, it may be that some fail the course in "taking care of subordinates."
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MGySgt James Forward
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Don't get wrapped around the axle on awards, sometimes there is not much rhyme or reason. Do you best always, I never worried about any awards. End of tour before PCS orders is a give away award in my book and does not occur that much in the Marine Corps. We also don't give promotion point for them either. Yes, looks nice on your uniform but you evals and performance are what count in my book. Semper fi and keep charging.
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PO1 Craig Anthony
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Your eval system was probably tightly adhered to compared the navy, were slags would get 4.0, forcing the worthy to get 4.0, even if they were only a 3.8.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SFC James Welch - I had a Master Sergeant in my command when I was stationed in Hawaii. He only wore one ribbon, a Silver Star with an OLC. Of course I was curious and pulled his 201 file to see what was going on. The abbreviated version of the story (I've posted the full thing in another thread somewhere on RP) is that he lied about his age (13) to enlist for WWI and being large for his age, got away with it. He mustered out immediately following the war but reenlisted for WWII (no lying needed). Same for Korea. When he tried to enlist for Vietnam, he had to contact a very senior officer to pull some strings and he did a tour there. Retired with 20 years active duty, every day in wartime/combat service (except Vietnam - no combat for him there). And yes, he had plenty of awards and decorations. Would've looked like a potentate if he wore them all. The two Silver Stars he wore (he had others) were awarded by John J. Pershing.
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1LT Peter Suedfeld
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Wow!
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Sgt Joseph Avary
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Agree wholeheartedly MGySgt! Semper Fi
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Why are officers recognized with awards more than enlisted?
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SSG(P) (Join to see) First you need to understand responsibility before awards will make sense... I served from E-1 to O-6. From E-1 to E-5, I got an AAM (Impact), a JSAM, and an ARCOM when I went to OCS... I could not rate a MSM until I was Captain, or an LOM until I was a Colonel and Brigade Commander.
It is all about level of responsibility for both officers and NCOs.
What do you think you should be getting?
Awards are not what you want or expect, they are what you earn. And, yes, rank does play a role.
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Cpl Ted Saltmarsh
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How many officers go to the brig when they follow orders...
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SGM Frank Marsh
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COL Charles Williams - in the boonies in upstate Thailand. I came up with a program that revolutionized what we were doing and saved money. I got a letter of commendation, my LT got an ARCOM....she didn't even know what I was doing.
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SGT Sam Decker
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COL Charles Williams
I'm going to have to disagree with a specific point in your statement. You said rank plays a role. In AR 600-8-22, there is not a single, solitary mention of what rank you have to be to receive a specific award. The only criteria are the merits and performance attached to any given medal. But rank keeps getting applied because it "doesn't look good" when a SPC gets an ARCOM while the PL only gets an AAM. So one gets upgraded or the other gets downgraded. The gives the perception that you will,, at best, give higher ranks preferential treatment. At worst, you'll insult the hard work and performance of the lower rank. Awards should be given based on merit and nothing more. That's the way the regulation is written. Deviation from that is a lack of integrity.
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COL Charles Williams Hello. I think this post was referencing implied responsibility for a “service” award. Your post references an “achievement” award; a service award; and a PCS award. They are technically different categories. And rank carries different levels of responsibility. For example, the “Defense Distinguished Service medal” criteria is written in such a way that it’s DoDI says it should only be given to General Officers because of the responsibility required for the position.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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Everyone I have ever met in the military, who is worth a damn, cares more about what's between your ears than what's on your chest......
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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PO1 Harry Champagne
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SFC (Verify To See) - PART OF THE PROBLEM IS ITS NOT ALWAYS WHO YOU KNOW ITS WHO BLOW.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
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LOL, you must have not known any airborne soldiers. Man, if you wear that patch and have that beret, man you are still lower that dirt, if you don't have your jumpwings.
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CPT Derek Wren
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Simple, to the point, and in my opinion could not be more true. Well said.
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I would be interested to see statistics on this subject. As I have personally seen Sergeant Major's and First Sergeant's who never, "left the wire" receive Bronze Star's with Valor devices within months of returning CONUS while Lance Corporals, who obviously deserve, and who were submitted for the same award, by astute and professional leaders, never receive one.

For obvious reasons this can create a caustic command in which the lower ranks assume that their superiors are only out for themselves, and may have "trashed" (i.e. not submitted beyond the initial chain of command) the write-ups.

I think that rank SHOULD NOT influence the receipt of awards, but would argue that it does. Furthermore any O-6's+, E-8's, and/or E-9's who have received unearned awards would, in all likelihood, argue against or downplay this belief, by saying, "it doesn't or shouldn't matter". When in reality, it does matter and heavily influences whether or not people stay in.

Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, we are still a war time military force, and should be trying to retain all of the savages we can, not the careerists.
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MSgt Gilbert Jones
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The problem with getting awards they have to be written by your supervisor or someone higher. In many cases you may have the unlucky job of working for someone who first don't know what you do, or too lazy to write up the award. During my 22 years in the AF I was blessed to have worked for great bosses my first 12 years. Most were rated officers and if you were on the stick and really did a great job, they rewarded you by putting you in for awards. out of those last 10 years I worked for 9 non rated officers. Of those three told me I could put myself in for any award within reason I wanted and they would sign off on the recommendation. I told each one that if they thought I deserved an award, they either they should write up the recommendation or have someone else do it. I didn't mind supplying input but I refused to write the narrative. I always made sure that every individual that I supervised both military or civilian was recognized for their work. Now that didn't mean they received awards just for doing their job, but what they did above and beyond it. During my early years in the AF it really meant something for an enlisted man, especially junior Amn/NCO's to receive AF Commendation Medals, not any more, at least not in the AF. When I was a young E-4 I saw in the AF Times where this captain had earned 5 AF Commendations. I said to myself, I'm going to beat that - I did. In my first 10 years I received 6 commendations, don't know how many that captain finally had before he retired. I will tell you this, I earned every one of those commendations I was a First Sergeant before I retired, and when I would put an airman(s) on some kind of detail the first thing would ask when will I get my 3-day pass or my Commendation medal. The meaning of the commendation today no longer has any real meaning. As for receiving a MSM when I retired, I earned that award to. I also was awarded First Sergeant of the Year on my base for above and beyond what was expected of me - my troops would tell you that, they knew I had their backs as long as they were right and I had to go to battle for some of them. So for some of you who think you were cheated out of awards, ask yourself, did I do more then just my job and was expected of me or did I take that extra step and do more. Yes, there are some brown noses out there who really didn't deserve those medals, I have known a few of them, and yes it p____d me of to. For those of you who are still serving, hopefully you have a good supervisor who appreciates the job you are doing and not be lazy and write that narrative for you.
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MSgt Gilbert Jones
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PO1 Harry Champagne - Before the senior enlisted men went to those so called ass kissing schools they were junior enlisted - think about what you said.
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SFC James Welch
SFC James Welch
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The idea Soldier is one so terrible in Combat that he has to be locked away in peace and released in time of war. Combat is not for the faint of heart. In the old days the best in combat were often reduced in rank, usually for drinking to be able to live with what the had done and seen, and got their stripes back when the fighting started again. True Warriors bring fear to the hearts of lessor men who try to degrade them at ever opportunity!
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SFC James Welch
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They had to have them for promotion, that was called getting their “ Ticket Punched”!Cpl Phil Hsueh
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CAPT Kevin B.
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My input comes with the "results will vary" disclaimer. First, I'm in the camp that there's way too many decorations awarded, way to many patches/badges, etc. My NAM had to be signed off by the Fleet Vice Admiral. That's how I grew up. BTW my NAM showed up in my in-box. So being somewhat jaded, I progressed from E-1 to O-6 to Command and had these percentage awards authorized. My policy was if I could do up to 5% of the body count or whatever, it would apply equally to ENL and OFF. It was more of a struggle to get ENL stuff done right primarily due to the crappy writing skills of the NCO and JO community. To make it work took some babysitting. So if you're evenly spreading, sometimes you have to make a determination that a pro rata split isn't right.
When you have Dets spread all over the world, including the badlands, you'll see more award focus there. Stuff I couldn't sign off on had to be staffed up and that meant XO and I were heavy into the write up. It's a poor reflection on the Skipper to have stuff tossed back. I batted 100% through MSMs. LOMs were prepared after I had a heart to heart with the Flag and received the go ahead to push it up. The amount of work, responsibility, impact, or whatever it is now called, had been diluted greatly during my time in and continued unabated afterward. When I was doing promotion boards (including O-5/6), the notion of EOTs was just starting to be mainstream to the point of reviewing officers wondering why one wasn't awarded given a must promote recommendation on the Fitrep. I knew the awards system was seriously broke then.

Oh saw a piece of COL Charles Williams sage input. Never fall into the "quantity" trap. An analogy is flipping burgers. If flipping 200 and hour is the standard, what reward for doing 300? Same skill, same span of control, same output, same risk. Your reward will be employee of the month and maybe a 50 cent raise. Consider awards are more for the lasting difference you make after you're gone. My NAM was an O-1/2 award for building new stuff in Antarctica that hadn't been done before. That and running the surface SAR operation and having to fetch boondoggler politicians when their Huey went down in a whiteout. Add a dash of freeing a brand new stuck ice breaker (Polar Star) using explosives techniques I devised. That I was told was solidly in the range of a NAM. Times change.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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CAPT (Join to see) We could go the way of North Korea :-)
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William Davis
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - That's rich....Too funny.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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SFC Bernard Walko - I would argue that, as officers, it was our responsibility to make sure that our enlisted people either were continually competent or learned their jobs, not to teach them. It was our job to assure they had the resources to do their jobs, whether that was knowledge, equipment, or leadership, which is why the military has schools, budgets, OJT programs, and a host of other resources. We cannot teach you what we do not know, but we can do our best to assure you have resources to learn it.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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SFC Bernard Walko - As it should be. The officers are ultimately responsible and accountable for their units' performance.
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Most Enlisted I know pretty much agree that the awards system is broken. Officers know it's broken as well, but they are more likely to benefit from it than enlisted. However, the biggest thing that stops soldiers from getting awards is laziness from their leadership, and that includes senior NCO's.

I would like to add, however, that enlisted are less likely to have a plan for their future, to plot out their means of advancement. Officers tend to know how much their career depends on OER's and awards, and they actually work to ensure a successful career. If you focus on your career path and work hard to achieve long term goals, you are more likely to end up with awards.
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MSgt Gilbert Jones
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You are so right, like they say, behind every husband there's a good wife, so after every supervisor that has great people he supervises, are great workers, they make everyone look good.
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SSG Cliff Richardson
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The whole thing is based on awards, and schools ( ie patches ), that's why officers get far more school priority than enlisted, most waste point cadets fill Airborne, Ranger, Sapper etc. schools, and earn the tab for their records, looks great in the photo shoot, and great on paper, but consider this, these schools should not be a career need for every officer, most of the non combat arms officers today have 2 things, Ranger tab, jump wings, some attended the old jungle school in Panama, some have even gone to scuba school, seen them myself, one i knew if Fort Riley Ks. was the 2nd Bde Finance officer, a Cpt. when I questioned about the tabs, and jungle patch, I found out that he got all that during the summer breaks during his wast point time! So think about it you pack up the limited capacity schools with 30% or better cadets, or officers who need a career boost on paper, and you limit the possiblity for those who actually need the fuckin patch and paper to stay in or finalize their posting to a Ranger Reg. Some of those guys had to wait up to and over 2 years to get the school, but already served in the Bat. all that time, working, training being a Ranger without the patch, and one that is a personal friend of mine names is Brad O. waited almost 1 1/2 years for a jump school slot! Most that enlist just for this and are guarenteed have waited almost up to a year or more for their slot time, reason given schools were packed with officers, and cadets, my friend told me that when he was with the 1st Ranger Bat. they were far behind on tabs, and wings, but they still deployed! Now I hope this shed some light on schools, and awards,. Who deserves an award, should be given the same priority that officers, and some E7's and above get for just being there, those that deserve an award during wartime operations, are often overlooked, or disaproved due to rank, personal feelings toward the soldier being considered for this award, to much hatred toward individuals in general from command has stopped many from recieving BS's, ARCOMS, ST's from being awarded. Also general BS''s awarded to E7 - and Above up to Div CDR, fact, 3rd AD CDR, all the way down to my platoon Sgt. Bco 5/18 Inf, 3rd plt. Most just awarded for being there, in Desert Storm. Heard that the Finance section from 3AD gave all E6, and above! Total fucking waste in my book.
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SSG Cliff Richardson
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SPC (Verify To See) - Of course most enlisted don't have a plan for their future, thats why their supposed to be guided by the NCO corps, or it sure sounds like someone guided or is guiding your future in the military. As a former SSG I myself looked for the career ideas of my soldiers, for and after the military, ie did you know that a veteran 6 months and 1 day qualified in 1993 as a veteran and therefore could attend 4 years college on the state of Illinois for free, in accordance with the GI bill regardless of how many years in program or money saved! I required this from all the leaders that served with, and under me. My statement is not a total callout to the failure of all leaders, don't be stupid, that's is pretty ignorant of you! If you bothered to read into it, you would have recognized exactley which areas, and what commands that this affected, all that is written was true from 1980 - 1993, beyond that I cannot say, may be better, may have gone worse, but you can bet on one thing for sure, all, and I mean all officers get the slots that are needed for combat schools, in order to get the qualification for the records, if not then ask your officer friends, especially those working in totally non-combat fields, like finance, check the officers for tabs, then check the enlisted, now check against how many slots were enlisted that were changed or reschuled for later dates, I mean officers in charge of diesel refueling have ranger tabs, 2nd leutenants, go figure, his is not a direct combat related MOS, it is a support MOS, if he doesn't have cross rifles on the left collar, what business did he have for being awarded that slot? About awards, needs no explanation, many times I have heard that some awards were withheld by command and downgraded due to someone in the chain of command did not care for the individual, for whatever reason. But I was assured that it must be a legitimate reason, cannot be just because the 1sg don't like the guy or some bullshit like that, the point that I was trying to make was far to much gereralization towards awards of all types, and in my time the school situation was a mess!
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SSG Cliff Richardson
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Then why did your post end up on my notification, possible you or RP made a mistake. When were you in? Sorry about the ignorance statement, please forgive me, your statement ended up on my notification, and I made the mistake of assuming that your statement was directed at me, and my statement had to do with what was written before! I'll defend what I wrote any way I need to, to the degree I feel I have been attacked! Sorry that the entire NCO corps of your unit wasn't there to direct your career, just that maybe you didn't want to hear some of it, always possible. i was almost in every unit a company reenlistment NCO, sometimes had to work at BN level, was a designated sqd leader, most of the time a plt. sgt. as an E-6, after 11 yrs. 7 mos. and 20 days I took over a reserve support company as the 1sgt. the whole while being only an E-6, been through a lot, seen a lot, accomplished a lot, ashamed I did not know you, I probabley could have helped you reach exactly what it was that you were after, either by me or pointed to the person who could. Sorry, Cliff
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Here is my two cents (maybe a little more than two cents):

You have been in almost 9 yrs and your only award is an AAM. Which you got for getting 9 Soldiers back into the Reserves. The written standard (as you stated) is x3 and you get an AAM. Was it written that if you got x9 that you would get an ARCOM? If not, then oh well. Instead of focusing on what you DIDN'T get, focus on what you did get. Perhaps, in the minds of the powers that be, AAM is simply the standard...no more no less. Or it could be they didn't feel that x9 justified an ARCOM. Or it could be that they weren't sure how to quantify the bullets to warrant an ARCOM. There are a number of reasons why.

As for your statement of being in almost 8 yrs and your only real award is an AAM......well, sometimes that's how it goes. I was in initially for 10 yrs and when I ETSd, I walked out with 4 ribbons on my chest.....which were an AAM, NDSM, ASR, and an OSR. Also, at no time did I ever receive a PCS nor ETS award (there is nothing stating those HAVE to be given). Was it bad leadership, or leadership that didn't think I did enough, or was it that I just didn't do enough? Who knows. Did I feel I was owed more? Sure, I thought that. But knowing what I know now looking back, I didn't deserve more than I got. It's just how the game is played. Besides the fact that rank is not supposed to be a factor in awards (with the exception of certain awards), rank is taken into account based on the level of responsibility. I didn't get my first ARCOM until after I finished my deployment to Iraq as a SPC. My next ARCOM was after a WAREX where I was but a SGT and I was dual hatting as Team Leader and Detachment Sergeant (SFC position).

Now, looking at your DORs, I see that you made SPC in April of 2012. Here it is April of 2017 and you are still a SPC. You should have been promoted to SGT and working on SSG by now. You can be certain that your Leaders are looking at this. This tells them.....and me....that your drive is not all there. Plus, it would appear that you are only doing things to get medals. If this is your only goal....things are going to be a little rough for you down the road. Besides doing Military Funeral Rites, and getting x9 Soldiers back into the Reserves, what else have you done to better your unit and the Army? Are you going outside your comfort zone within your unit to learn things that no one else wants? For example, taking charge of new Soldiers to the unit and being their Sponsor? Or, taking charge of the unit's APFT program, or HT/WT program, or being an assistant to the Training and/or OPS NCO? Serve as a Squad Leader? Anything other than being a Squad Member and Funeral details?

I'm not saying all this to chastise you, I'm saying all this to give you food for thought.
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SGT Randall Smith
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When I was in I didn't care about any awards. I cared about rank and pay raises. Each time I was promoted I went to the First Sgt and ask what I had to do to be promoted again and how soon. The 1st Lt. I worked under was super. I wanted to learn how to plot radio signals and as him how. He took the time to teach me and in less than a month he no longer had to do it. I did them and he would just check me out. I told him this should be a job for a PFC or Spc. that evening he sent in the paper work for my promotion to PFC with waivers for time in grade and in the Army. 4 months later we aced an IG inspection and for thanks he ask what I wanted. He thought a 3 day pass I think. Told him with waivers I qualified for Spec 4. The papers went in that week. 1st Sgt told me I would never make E-5 with that MOS. So I found a school starting soon for 31M Radio Operators. 3 weeks later I was on my way to Lengries Germany. Came back, worked my new MOS and the now Capt. put me in for Sgt. Went before the promotion board and was Sgt E-5 16 months after entering the Army. Many of the guys I got there with were still E-3 and E-4. I wanted E-6 so I ask for a transfer, figured the only way was Viet Nam. I was wrong.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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I was a LCDR with 14 years in before I got my first personal award. Does that mean I was a dirtbag? I don't think so. It seems 4 Admirals didn't think so, either, since each wrote a letter to the promotion board to get me promoted. Sometimes, awards are about luck of the draw: the job you had, what your boss's philosophy was, etc. The most important thing is doing right by your people and your mission. Sometimes, that means pissing people off, which negatively impacts positive recognition. So be it.
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SPC Coleton Belcher - Check your azimuth SPC. Your statement of " and of course i mean that in the most respectful manner possible SSG" is completely negated by what you stated before and after that....which is danger close to Insubordination and I have no qualms tracking YOUR NCOs down and recommend "corrective training." While you are correct in that my job is (per the Creed in this exact order) the accomplishment of the mission and the welfare of my Soldiers, there is a SHIT TON more to those two statements than you realize. I once thought like you, that those were the only things an NCO had to do. Then I became an NCO and my eyes were opened. Also, clearly you didn't read my response in it's entirety. The poster of this question stated that he basically felt he deserved an ARCOM instead of an AAM. Every single Soldier feels they deserve more than what they get. We've all been there. It quite literally is the "it is what it is" thing in the Army. But, at the end of my response, I asked him how he is making himself and his unit better. That, if you take a moment, is a form of mentorship. It may be the format you like or the format you want, but it is mentorship and therefore it is what it is. If you think I am the only SSG in this world that has this "IDGAF" attitude, think again. For starters, I do NOT have that mentality. If I did, I wouldn't still be in the Army. Also, there are MANY Soldiers that have this attitude and worse. Stay in for a spell, and you will see it. I didn't pull any punches in my truthful statement. If my blunt truth happened to damage your fragile feelings, I'm sure there is some tissue you can pick up from Supply. As I told my own Soldiers once upon a mass ass-chewing (due to insubordination and disrespect). My job is not to be popular. My job is not to be liked. My job is to see to it the mission gets done, done safely, and get as many of my Soldiers home as safely as I can........with all the bullshit bullets I deflect for them in between. You don't like my answer, I don't care. It is the truth, and it is what it is. Also, the next time you want to get froggy and jump, you better damn well be sure to do it with someone that doesn't outrank you. Picking up what I'm putting down, SPC?
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Sometimes it is perception. An Officer or Senior NCO may be doing a lot more than you see. There is a lot of things going on behind closed doors, or in conferences with senior leadership. There is more planning and organizing than the average Joe can see. I'm sure this is not always the case, but many times it is happening that way, and the folks at the bottom of the chain do not want to believe it.
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CPL Steve Freeman
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Sitting behind a closed door talking about shit shouldn't merit an award. Award should mean going above and beyond your duty. Officers (or NCOs) talking about
stuff is not going above and beyond. It's doing (barely) what they're paid to do.
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SFC Rich Gomez
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MSG, SSG Robert Perrotto is 100% accurate. I know none of the stripes I wore on my Sleeve or positions I held/attained were not by my efforts alone. I used to tell anyone, the Men that worked for/with me made my rank for me, without their efforts to be the best they could be none of it would have happened, they made me shine.
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SSG Brian Lovins
SSG Brian Lovins
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SFC Rich Gomez - exactly my point of view, I also on numerous times told my 1SG that they could have my stripes back anytime if it meant I need to sit back and not do what was right by my Soldiers. That said I was given awards for absolutely doing nothing and was told to shut up and accept it while my troops were downgraded to LOA's for doing more than I did. Me selecting an individual to carry out a task out weighs their successful completion of said task how exactly? Awards should always be merit based and not based on rank or position. I can name a handful of times I actually deserved an award, and other were I got one for simply being a SSG and being the "acting" PSG.
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SFC Rich Gomez
SFC Rich Gomez
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I am sorry, but I did not write the comment above attributed ro me. So, whoever did this I hope you're feeling proud of yourself, you're wrong for having done this, get with the program son and correct this problem.
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