Posted on Apr 3, 2016
Why can't Soldiers roll up their sleeves in uniform?
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Trust me, I'm in the Navy, sleeves rolled does not look good in my opinion and it does not help you keep cool like you might think.
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I asked right after AIT in 03 and while I did push-ups for asking a stupid question I was reminded that I didn't join the Marines. Ya know in that nice, being showered in spit, and taught new ways to group cusswords kind of way. My question is when did the Army start issuing opinions?
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It's because the Army wants us to look professional everywhere we go, imagine going to a business meeting with executives and your sleeves are rolled up
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Cpl Earl Armstrong
Looking professional I don't think that is the reason. Looking professional has a lot to do with what your profession is. If it was about looking professional we'd still be polishing boots and pressing and starching our uniforms. Back when some of us joined you were considered a shitbird if your BDU's weren't heavily starched and creased. We took great pride in the preparation of our uniforms not just pulling them out of the dryer and wearing them
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CPL(P) (Join to see)
ACU/OCP is a utility uniform - the equivalent of jeans and a t-shirt. Even in business casual attire, I roll my sleeves; I've even done it with a tie, the equivalent of the short-sleeve Class B uniform. For a business meeting with executives, one would wear a business suit or the military equivalent - Class A. If you wore ACU equivalent to a business meeting, you'd get thrown out, and the only reason the Army authorizes the wear of the ACU in a professional office environment is because requiring the wear of Class B or Class A for every-day work would require a higher clothing allowance. It's by no means professional, and is entirely about saving money. It has all kinds of other second- and third-order effects... but that's not the point of this conversation.
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Each service seems to have their own standards which opens up a lot of questions by SMs. The MC has recently come up with what appears to be a happy medium on both sleeves and tats. Perhaps the Army will come around under the auspices of the new Sergeant Major, even if he doesn't have any tats.
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CPT Nick Bryan
If the Marines do it the Army will go as far away from it as possible...... And it's sad really, the Marines are far from perfect but they do hit the common sense button a lot. Like when they designed their Digicams they didn't pay some company millions of dollars to develop and test a uniform. They consulted the guys who hide for a living, their scout sniper school. They are for the most part good shooters and they are good at PT, because they are simple in their approach and they make it a priority....
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I had the privilege of serving in the Air Force for over 14 years of active duty. During that time I was on a Army post twice, once as a lower enlisted in training at a school, and once as a LT also in in training at a school.
I can honestly say that I had to take more BS as an officer on an Army post than I took as a lower enlisted man in the Air Force.
Enough said.
I can honestly say that I had to take more BS as an officer on an Army post than I took as a lower enlisted man in the Air Force.
Enough said.
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I think the big thing is it changed when you guys went to ACU's. This is my thought we all had sleeves down when down range. The sun burn thing, keeping your core cool, and I think this is the big one a muscle memory thing keeping them down and I think because they wanted them down due to the IEDs and all the skin burns and someone felt this and the flame gear will slow the burning down. Everyone was deploying so Army felt to keep everyone in the mind set. They have not relooked that but I believe they will. We all need to remember it was a in theater thing sleeves down for all branches and this was probably their mind set behind it. When ever we were about a month out or in the field training we went sleeves down, so I believe that has something to do with it.
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When did the Army stop rolling sleeves? Can you no longer roll them in garrison too?
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
When the ACU came out.
The Marines stopped for awhile too (Oct 24, 2011) until every Marine asked the CMC on every visit and he just finally gave up after two years and said "screw it" (sleeves up summer, sleeves down winter, again).
The Marines stopped for awhile too (Oct 24, 2011) until every Marine asked the CMC on every visit and he just finally gave up after two years and said "screw it" (sleeves up summer, sleeves down winter, again).
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The policy when I was going to meetings during the summer was sleeves rolled up, unless otherwise stated by the 1st sergeant. Sleeves down in the winter months.
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