Posted on Jul 12, 2021
Why do so many MSGs insist on being addressed as Master Sergeant?
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AR 600-20 is clear. The title of address for a MSG is "Sergeant." My personal opinion is that the majority of MSGs that insist on it do so because of their ego. The remainder is just ignorance.
EDIT: There have been a lot of responses from folks of various services, so let me make it clear (if it wasn't already) that this question pertains to Master Sergeants in the United States Army. I don't hold any grudge with people who address them as "Master Sergeant" out of respect. I usually just make a gentle correction and move on. My question SPECIFICALLY addresses those individuals who (presumably knowing better) INSIST on being addressed in a manner that is out of line with regulation and what their motivation could be for doing so. Many responses are some variation of "They've earned it" but that doesn't hold much water with me. By the time an NCO makes MSG, they should be secure enough in their career and position to not need constant affirmation of their rank.
EDIT: There have been a lot of responses from folks of various services, so let me make it clear (if it wasn't already) that this question pertains to Master Sergeants in the United States Army. I don't hold any grudge with people who address them as "Master Sergeant" out of respect. I usually just make a gentle correction and move on. My question SPECIFICALLY addresses those individuals who (presumably knowing better) INSIST on being addressed in a manner that is out of line with regulation and what their motivation could be for doing so. Many responses are some variation of "They've earned it" but that doesn't hold much water with me. By the time an NCO makes MSG, they should be secure enough in their career and position to not need constant affirmation of their rank.
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In the Marine Corps you address them by the rank. If they are a SSgt, you call them SSgt, not Sarge. I know the Army does it. Just different
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Normally, Unless it was an award, or some official function to be called MSG. I was called Sarge., hey you and as someone noted some not very nice names.
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Because at the same grade you got the diamond and they didn't.
Good ole butthurt syndrome.
Good ole butthurt syndrome.
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I actually have a different take then most. I actually do wish the Army was more like the Marine Corps in differentiating rank. However SFC would be a mouthful. What does urk me is Soldiers referring to others by their pay grade. ie.. some E-6 told me blh blah or my E-5 and so on
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I've worked for Senior Chiefs (E-8) and Master Chiefs (E-9) when I was active. I didn't run into too many of them working on a small base but we did have one UT Senior Chief and one Construction Mechanic Senior Chief. I don't recall any of them or the ones in the Comm Center insisting on being called by their full title. "Chief" itself itself is a mark that a Petty Officer has reached a new place in his career. The rest of us are promoted through recommendation, testing and being within quota requirements. A person making Chief also requires a selection board approval. Chiefs also have their record evaluated annually by the board to ensure they are still qualified to hold the title of Chief. Board approval is also required for advancement to Senior and Master Chief.
There's no need to address them as Senior Chief or Master Chief. Chief is enough. I would use the titles when sending a person to see them just as I am addressed as Petty Officer to in front of subordinates. Every Chief is addressed by all lower enlisted and commissioned officers as "Chief". I worked with a E-6 who'd been promoted. The first day he came to work in Khaki I no longer called him by first name. He was now "Chief". He could still call me by my name at work except as noted.
I think the problem is that everyone in the Army who is E-5 and above is addressed as Sargent. The men requesting to be called by their full titles are trying to differentiate themselves from the E-5 Sargent. He's worked hard for that grade and he wants it acknowledged.
There's no need to address them as Senior Chief or Master Chief. Chief is enough. I would use the titles when sending a person to see them just as I am addressed as Petty Officer to in front of subordinates. Every Chief is addressed by all lower enlisted and commissioned officers as "Chief". I worked with a E-6 who'd been promoted. The first day he came to work in Khaki I no longer called him by first name. He was now "Chief". He could still call me by my name at work except as noted.
I think the problem is that everyone in the Army who is E-5 and above is addressed as Sargent. The men requesting to be called by their full titles are trying to differentiate themselves from the E-5 Sargent. He's worked hard for that grade and he wants it acknowledged.
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I was an acting SGM as an MSG for a period of time and I required troops to address me as Sergeant Major. As an MSG it really depended on the context; I would not want anyone lower in rank to call me Sergeant. It's not about ego, but respect. I retired when I was presented a "stress" card by a PFC. I assume it's commonplace these days?
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I've always addressed a MSG as MSG. Years ago when I looked it up I believe it said either or was fine. It always felt weird addressing an E8 as an E5. I made sure my Soldiers felt the same way.
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I will simply say they have earned the rank so you will address them as required. I have known people to hide behind their rank. I do me and it worked the whole time I was in. I think by your leadership people will follow at any rank. Merry Christmas to all
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