Posted on Feb 15, 2018
Why do you think there are so many school shootings now?
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Why do you think there are so many school shootings now as opposed to say 25 to 30 years ago? We all know that guns can’t shoot themselves, so obviously that is not the problem in my opinion. I honestly believe that there is a direct correlation between the rise of school shootings and the taking of God out of the classroom, and kids not getting a well deserved a** whooping. Thoughts on this?
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Perhaps we need to do a little research. School shootings go back to the 1800's. This isn't s new phenomenon at all. To me, it's directly related to bullying. If you weren't bullied in school, you can't possibly understand. I was bullied in 9th grade. In Catholic school. Once I kicked his ass, it stopped. But if I hadn't it probably would've continued. I was depressed. My mother had died of cancer just a year or two earlier and it changed my outlook on life and my bigger picture of the world in general. I questioned everything that I had been taught. By the time I graduated high school, I was a full on Atheist. A year later I joined the Army. I served 15 years, until my body couldn't do the job I was being paid to do and I got out. I give this information only so you understand where my point of view comes from.
I honestly believe this epidemic is getting worse because of ACCESS to weapons. It also has to do with kids/teens not having access to help. When you are being bullied, even your friends don't know what to do. Kids and teens that are being bullied need someone they can talk to and that can help to make the pain go away.
It used to be, if you stood up to a bully, they have you respect. These days, if you stand up to a bully, they feel like you have disrespected them and they make it worse.
I honestly believe this epidemic is getting worse because of ACCESS to weapons. It also has to do with kids/teens not having access to help. When you are being bullied, even your friends don't know what to do. Kids and teens that are being bullied need someone they can talk to and that can help to make the pain go away.
It used to be, if you stood up to a bully, they have you respect. These days, if you stand up to a bully, they feel like you have disrespected them and they make it worse.
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I agree that bullying is a major problem and probably contributed, but you definitely can’t just blame that. There are a lot of people that are bullied, but they don’t go on shooting sprees.
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There was also no internet, global news, 24 hr news outlets, major news networks, and only like 7 TV stations at the time. So there was a lot less coverage of what was happening in the schools and more of things like USSR, Korean War, Coup in Iran, and Brown v Board of ed.
Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it never happened.
Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it never happened.
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Shootings are nothing new, there's just more press and access to information. First recorded one in what would be the US was in 1764, 10 dead.
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I'm not sure it has anything to do with society. Folks used to go to arenas and watch people fight each other to the death for fun, leave and visit a prostitute legally. Immorality is not a 21st century issue.
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SPC David Willis
PO2 David Dunlap - Ha oh boy. I love being told I was raised a certain way by people who don't know me or my family. My generation is not in charge. Yours is, so if there is a problem with how things are run please look to your own peers. Also I never said its the same today as it was in the 50s but if you do want to compare generations at least ours has desegregated schools and isn't freaking out trying to black ball people for their political views.
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SPC David Willis
PO2 David Dunlap - Hmmm ok and who taught my parents how to parent? Im sure your grandparents were shocked at things like simple rock and roll and women showing their ankles. God I hope Im not cranky and crotchety when Im old.
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SPC David Willis
PO2 David Dunlap - Immorality is relative and subjective, its impossible to compare what you view as immoral to what your grandparents thought was immoral. Think about this. Hitler went to hell for killing millions of innocents we all understand that. But if hell is a collection of all people across all of time he is going to be down there with some people who were alive during a time when killing innocents due to religious beliefs wasn't frowned upon. He may share the same 7th circle of hell with a guy who was condemned for eating a hamburger on a Saturday. Youre generation was the most immoral that your parents had ever seen, until you had kids... and it will always just go on and on.
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School shootings since the first of the new year....................
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That graphic shows, it's not that school shootings are new or rare, just that the media decides what a big deal is in this country and what isn't. How many of those have we actually heard about? Plus it only encompasses school shootings and not others. Why is a non school shooting fine but a school is so much worse? It is still innocent people being murdered.
The media exploded about Parkland, did they say a word about Dearborn, the Bronx, or Oxon Hill? This is the first I've heard about them.
The media exploded about Parkland, did they say a word about Dearborn, the Bronx, or Oxon Hill? This is the first I've heard about them.
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LCDR Robert S.
Maj Bill Smith, Ph.D. - I don't have a link for the graphic, but the source of the data is everytownreasearch.org - and a reasonable assessment of the data, and the graphic, is that it's sensationalistic garbage intended to influence, rather than inform. Three of the more egregious examples are the "school shootings" in St Johns, MI, Maplewood, MN, and Denison, TX. In the first, a guy committed suicide in the parking lot of a *former* school, that had been closed permanently at the end of the previous school year. In the second, a third grader caused a negligent discharge of a uniformed officer's holstered weapon. In the third, students at a college were getting instruction on a firearms simulator - when the instructor (a law enforcement officer) left the room, taking the simulator weapon with him, a student picked up what she *thought* was the simulator but was actually the instructor's service weapon and fired it at a target on the wall.
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LCDR Robert S.
CW2 (Join to see) - local media covered all of them, but most of them weren't national news because shots fired during an altercation in a parking lot after a basketball game, with no one being injured (Dearborn), a shot being fired into the floor when a gun fell out of a student's bag (Bronx), and a student shot in a mugging in a school parking lot in the evening (Oxon Hill) aren't the sorts of things that make national news.
So, as a followup to what I said in my previous comment, a number of these are incidents that only a person who is trying an anti-gun agenda would classify as a "school shooting". To meet Everytown's criteria for a "school shooting", all that's required is a firearm being discharged, or a bullet ending up, on school grounds (and they include colleges and universities), and for it to make the news. I'm sure, if there were a college somewhere that had a rifle range, and Everytown found a news story about weekly practices by the college shooting team, they'd report that as a weekly school shooting at that college.
So, as a followup to what I said in my previous comment, a number of these are incidents that only a person who is trying an anti-gun agenda would classify as a "school shooting". To meet Everytown's criteria for a "school shooting", all that's required is a firearm being discharged, or a bullet ending up, on school grounds (and they include colleges and universities), and for it to make the news. I'm sure, if there were a college somewhere that had a rifle range, and Everytown found a news story about weekly practices by the college shooting team, they'd report that as a weekly school shooting at that college.
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LCDR Robert S. - Good point, even with 24/hr world wide media, we are still only shown what major news desires based on their own political alignment. What we can see with some research is that, sadly, school shootings aren't that rare, but also aren't a "new" thing. It's happened for a long time.
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