Why does security now trump liberty? Is this complementary to the values of Founders?

IMO the secret to true security is being able to exercise your liberties freely without being afraid of retribution or in fear for your safety. For the record, I do agree with the quote wholeheartedly.
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

The world is not as simple as it was in Franklin's day but is certainly more dangerous. There are those who seek to deprive of us our Constitutional and God-given rights, both foreign and domestic. Exercise your rights and liberties but you must also be vigilant to keep your enemies at bay and your freedom in tact. The Radical Muslim Extremists who wish to destroy us and our way of life are the scourge of the earth. We must be ready to fight them on any grounds...Home or Away. I prefer an Away scenario but but if the battle must be fought at Home, then so be it! Life became more complex for us after 9/11. Stock up, rearm and be ready to fight to the death to preserve our way of life.

I must be missing something. Preventing people who are coming from a country where many want to kill Americans is a restriction on our freedoms?

I wish to share the following with this discussion group. This is what the balance is all about:

"We live in dangerous times, but we are not the first generation of Americans to face threats to our security. Like those before us, we will be judged by future generations of Americans on how we react to crisis. And by that I mean not just whether we win the war on terrorism, because I believe we will, but also whether, as we fight that war, we safeguard for our citizens the very liberties for which we are fighting."

- Robert Mueller, Fmr Dir, FBI

These "refugees" have no Constitutional Right to enter the Country. The primary job of the President is to protect the Country, not to care for people from other countries. Allowing Terrorists to come into the country is not protecting the country.

It all started in an airport when I met my first TSA agent. Five minutes later, I was down to my ACU pants and socks. I knew it was over. We went from liberty to security to tyranny in five minutes. I've been sad ever since.

Here's what Jefferson had to say about Islam after he and John Adams met with the Ambassador of Tripoli in an unsuccessful attempt to end the Barbary piracy peacefully:

“We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.

The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

{Letter from the commissioners, John Adams & Thomas Jefferson, to John Jay, 28 March 1786}”
― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

That, my friends, is mainstream Islam, not radical Islam.

I think safety and security are often an illusion sold to people to make them believe they are better off with the "security" measures created for them. I don't know where the quote came from, but the one that I often remember is: "That which keeps you safe can also keep you prisoner". Do we live in dangerous times. Sure we do. But when has there been a time in history that wasn't dangerous? A time when people were not trying to assert their power, take lands for themselves, conquer a civilization?

Keep in mind, the more "security" we have, the more the average person expects "someone else" to keep them safe. And the more they rely on that someone else, the more they give them the power to give or take that security as they wish.

I'm not saying we should not rely on each other, and I'm not saying we shouldn't have a police force, but expecting someone else to take care of your personal security is not really what our founding fathers had in mind. They understood that we have to help each other and they understand there has to be police who maintain law and order, but we also have to help ourselves, and we cannot expect someone else to do the dirty work for us if we are unwilling (unable is a completely different story) to do it for ourselves.

I do like this quote: "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower. Yup, that just about sums it up.

Safety and Security can be seen as an illusion we like to believe. It make us feel secure. I feel safe in my home. But I also know, there are a million things that could happen in my home that could cause me harm. I feel basically safe when I go outside of my home or community, but I also know that every time I go outside my home, there are risks. That is called life. So I can accept the risks, take certain precautions and see them as a possible adventure, or I can sit at home like a scared chicken and hope someone is out there to protect me. Hmmmm...the latter is not my style.

OK, I know this is getting long, but I have to relay this story. So, I get a telemarketer call from ADT. And after telling them "No" several times, that I'm not interested in their security system, and the guy really not wanting to take "no" for an answer, I'm getting irritated. So the guy is trying to play out reasons why I should get the security system and he says, "What if someone breaks into your house and tries to hurt you? If you had our security system, it would call the police to come help you." I laughed and said, "Sir, if some poor fool tries to break into my home and hurt me, I own a 9mm, and I will be more than happy to shoot them." He got silent for a minute and tried the "Yah, but..." I shut him down and explained there was no "Yah, buts.." in this scenario. My point is simple. I am not going to rely on a security system or anything else to protect me, especially if I am not willing to make an effort to protect myself.

Yes, I am a Soldier for Life, and as a Soldier, I will never expect someone else to defend me or protect me. If I'm unwilling to protect myself, then I don't think I really deserve the freedoms I spent most of my life defending. And quite frankly, I happen to like my freedoms.

Benjamin Franklin said: Those who sacrifice Liberty for security deserve neither. I agree.

Several operators died yesterday in a raid in Yemen against Al Qaeda. They were pursuing a continued environment of dangerous freedom. Their actions were designed to avoid an eventual peaceful slavery. Volunteer for Combat Arms, put the uniform back on your old body, sweat and train with some Soldiers or Marines. Get on a helicopter that will come back with a bloody deck or not at all. Quit being so spoiled and arrogant off the sweat of others, and please tell me again how our freedom revolves around the immediate entrance of foreign immigrants from countries we are fighting against without intense scrutiny. The argument is a real hoot to listen to.