Why does security now trump liberty? Is this complementary to the values of Founders?

The people who are coming here illegally, or are captured on the battlefield have NO rights, per our Constitution. In my personal opinion, the people who plan or carry out terrorist activities against innocent American citizens, also give up their Constitutional rights.

It doesn't! And, it's contrary to the values of the founders. They weren't interested in security. They wanted liberty (freedom).

This falls back on BIG PICTURE goals. If you are aware of the "Hegelian Dialectic" -Create Problem, Nurture the Reaction (Fear) and Conveniently Have Solution to problem created.. Usually in form of granting more power to those who created the problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic

Get used to more security. Americans are quick to give away freedoms just so they don't have to be responsible for their own safety. Now, you cannot go anywhere without possibly being arrested for bumping into someone, saying something, or being apart of a group of people not haring anyone. We have TSA. airport police, politicians telling us we must give up our rights for everyone's safety. If you are tired of all this, organize and bother your elected officials.

True security requires that those who are being secure trust everyone or everything around them. Liberty does not mean the right to do everything you want, it means the right to do those thing accepted as reasonable to those around you. Here in ln is where to two become counter to each other, for some having a awesome law enforcement group which can go to any means which it needs to find out those things needed to bring law breakers to justice is a good thing. But when those means begin to invade areas of those who have done nothing wrong you start taking away Liberty in the name of justice.

Because WE THE PEOPLE have allow this to happen. We've allowed politicians who refuse to come up for air from the tax payers tough long enough to even consider doing the bidding of the people who put them into office. Their personal and party agenda's have completely trumped the rights of WE THE PEOPLE. And for some odd reason, we continue to return these people into office........I don't get it. Congress is in desperate need of TERM LIMITS. Which of course they have ZERO interest in.

The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.” (Benjamin Franklin)

To give up your liberties for securities, and you'll have neither. Any time a government tells you that it'll be ok, "turn in all your guns, and and anythng that you can protect yourselves with, " Your Government will take care of you" ! You'll find your liberties and securities gone fast. Just look at Russia, China, N. Korea, etc. Their government tells them what, when and where their people can go, and or do anything. And if someone disagrees, we'll most people in the USA knows how that usually turns out. A government in absolute control is a Tyrant government.

First of all, you have to be very careful with quotes from Thomas Jefferson. He was a lover and not a fighter and he frequently wrote a check with his tough talk he never asked his body to cash but encouraged others to cancel.

The people who are now running the country depend upon fear to achieve their command roles. Trump, in particular, is a creature of the Harvard Business Model and fear is the default management style of the MBA program. It's just assumded. The performance model of the Harvard Business School was state of the art when women began playing halr-court basketball and it is at least 70 years behind the performance expectations you have been submerged in as soon as you began Basic Training. Esprit de Corps, as a principle of management, is almost universally violated by Fortune 500 CEOs as much because they don't know any better as by design, but the net effect is the same. And the metric for this is any CEO paying himself more than 80 times the floor wage in a publically traded company employs management by fear.

So, the focus on Security is an attempt by the people running the country to amp up the fear factor which they require to sustain cohesion in their political coalition and subdue opponents. If they could, they would stage a 911 type event, to recapture the national cohesion immediately after the event and before the Bush administration began its WMD scare tactic campaign to justify the invasion of Iraq and the polarization began to return.

Now, ask yourself this: when Sean Spicer comes in front of the White House Press Pool and says "We have a right to protect our country", what does he think the people who are reading this post have been doing since 911? I am not a fan of the Bush administration, but the military and the intelligence services weren't the problem, especially after Robert Gates took over DoD. And they weren't the problem during the Obama administration, which started out with Robert Gates at DoD. Gates, Colin Powell and Richard Armitage were about the only thing that demonstrated any competence during the Bush administration in Iraq. And the current Security status is a legacy of these people and of your current service.

So, this is something of an education on the fly. I grew up in the Army and remember the Army McCarthy hearings and the people who are now running America trace their political heritage directly to him. A couple of years after the Army McCarthy hearings, Army bands began playing the 1812 Overture on the 4th of July because it is satisfyingly noisy; as a tribute to the Red Army for its role in crushing the Fascists; amd as a resounding FUCK YOU, Joe McCarthy and the crypto-Nazi horse you rode into office with.

This "Security" issue is not a new problem for the Army. Keep track of things, but let the civilians sort things out.

I have the opinion that this security over liberty started in our government under President George W Bush with a bipartisan legislature it continued significantly under President Obama, and is only going to continue under President Trump. Yes I enjoy security but I believe liberty is more important. Some say more gun control or a ban on guns would provide us with more safety or security, I do not believe that because it takes away liberty. Just as if the press was regulated in any way shape or form, it would provide less liberty. The idea of liberty just doesn't pertain to a EO that temporarily bans residents of 7 countries that are deemed unsafe. It also pertains to how we live our lives. Yes I believe we should have certain laws so that the liberties of others are not infringed. I also think we shouldn't have certain laws because it infringes on others liberty.

When it comes down to it some philosopher (not sure of who) said. "Ethics is knowing the difference on what we have the right to do and what is right to do."