Why does security now trump liberty? Is this complementary to the values of Founders?

I reject your premise, but you could take any phrase out of context and twist it to make almost any point.

It's been this way ever since the PATRIOT ACT.

You are suspicious so we need to watch you 24/7 in case you do a crime that we suspect you'll do in the future.


I agree with the quote.

I said this 15 years ago and I stand by it. Osama Bin Ladin succeeded and by his standards won the battle once we passed the so called Patriot Acts.
The goal of terrorism is to cause the victim to alter their actions in response to you. We did that. By passing the Patriot acts we traded away some of our liberties and constitutional protections in return for some perceived security.
20 years ago we would not have stood still for the treatment we receive regularly now at the hands of the TSA. If the revelations of the NSA data mining had broken then we would have cried out for indictments and removal of the individuals involved but now we settle for some lukewarm promises of reviews of the procedures.
One of the few positive things to grow out of the events of 9/11 was the creation of the DHS, it is possible that if there had been better coordination between agencies before the attack the attacks may never have had a chance to succeed.
Though I realize that the statement is misquoted all too often because the situation Franklin was addressing was not the same but it resonates well to this situation.
"People who are willing to trade a bit of their security to purchase security deserve neither."

Security no trumps liberty because of fear without facts, thus evoking an emotional response which may or may not be rational, may or may not have merit and ultimately has been a proven and tried method in history.

Concerning the founding fathers, I would say no it is not complementary, while at the same time say that those only hearing one side if a story without listening to both sides are framing the complementary part to fit their own needs and desires.

The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitanian War and the Barbary Coast War, was the first of two Barbary Wars between the United States, and the four North African states known collectively as the "Barbary States". Three of these were nominal provinces of the Ottoman Empire, but in practice autonomous: Tripoli, Algiers, and Tunis. The fourth was the independent Sultanate of Morocco. The cause of the war was pirates from the Barbary States seizing American merchant ships and holding the crews for ransom, demanding the U.S. pay tribute to the Barbary rulers. United States President Thomas Jefferson refused to pay this tribute, our Navy was born from this conflict if my memory serves me correctly. So Thomas Jefferson decided he wasn't going to be a victim to these attacks and did something about it just like our President Trump is trying to do.

Once the TSA was created and not allowed to focus on the type of people who commit the terrorist activities the terrorists won. We treat everyone at the airport as a criminal. Take off your shoes, remove your belt, empty EVERYTHING out of your pockets, etc, etc, etc. Just flew home from Las Vegas and had a hotel coupon book in my pocket (paper). Because of that, they almost did a body cavity search on me. I use my military ID when I go through the checkpoint. They say thank you for your service, now take of your clothes so we can be sure you're not carrying anything illegal. We have allowed fear to overcome common sense.

Americans are accustomed to having someone else take care of things in our lives and don't seem to realize we are being ripped off in fees, taxes, delays in travel, and freedoms due to our own laziness. We used to resist others getting into our lives. Now we cannot seem to do anything by ourselves. We have become the sheep we laugh at and scorn. We allowed government to tell us how to and when we can travel. To call the police and wait for them to maybe show up. We aren't allowed to protect ourselves and family or property because WE will go to jail and lose all we have worked for, because government has to get it's cut using the law. We gave in to this mess, and we have to reverse the trend we allowed to happen. As of twelve years ago the government is able to listen in on our phone calls, internet messes, and conversations in general. They only lack having to leave their coffee and donuts to round up would be terrorists. When they do catch them, they let them go, but put a man in a dark deep cell for making a movie that no one watched. We allowed them to follow us around, now they have found ways to bill us for it. They'll keep letting bad guys go as long as they want to reinforce their activities and purpose.

I am totally against new rules, regulations and laws that remove freedom to the background for the benefit of security. Sure, there are security related activities that must occur at many levels of life. These security activities have no place over riding any of our basic freedoms. Bit by Bit, since 9/11 we have handed out rights, our freedoms, our Bill of Rights over to fear. The bad guys are winning. We are become a people jailed in our own country. At every turn we find one liberty or protection eroded or actually overridden to the point we are living a far different life and we are accepting this state of affairs. I do not accept it. I am and have been in fighting mode. The oath I took on 23 Mar 1968 has not yet expired. This is rapidly becoming a country I am no long proud of. The fault does not land squarely on democrats not can we blame the republicans, it is ALL of government for your most powerless local board up to and including Washington (and all that happens in DC.) Our problems and loss of independence ends at and lands squarely on every desk in Congress, every desk in the Supreme Court and the desk of the President and Commander in Chief. In my humble opinion they have all failed us. It is now our turn to get on their back and keep after them until things are corrected. Will this be a simple process? No. Will those in power be willing to listen to us? No. Will this be a short proces? Again, No, emphatically NO!

We have let the nanny state get too far in to our lives. Now, people expect "the gov'mnt" to solve their problems, keep them safe, etc., rather than doing it for themselves. People are also lazy and adverse to pain - it's too much work to learn to defend yourself and your family - and God knows you might get hurt......

This absolutely goes against the founders philosophy. They were independent and fierce. They were capable men and women who tolerated far less than we do today. Today's society prefers to be spoon fed their security instead of taking care of it themselves. They want to be able to lay blame on someone else if things go south (the government, the police, etc.).