Posted on Jul 29, 2019
Why does the Army appear to have a discipline issue with the lower enlisted ranks?
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Please understand, I am NOT bagging on the Army here, I am simply asking a question based on my own observations. I served two tours on two different Army posts and witnessed first hand how lower enlisted soldiers (PV1 through SPC) interacted with soldiers of higher rank (CPL through SSG) and I found their lack of respect and lack of discipline to be a bit disturbing. So, my deeper question is this; is this perceived problem of discipline due to the size of the Army as compared to the Marine Corps where we do not have this type of discipline issue, is it due to smaller unit cohesion, or is it something else? I am writing a white paper on military discipline and any information will be helpful. Remember, at the end of the day, we are one military with different missions toward the same end goal, so please do not use this thread as a means to bash other branches of service. I have not done that to the Army; I have great respect for the Army and for its mission and I am simply looking for others' observations about discipline.
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Because the Army* appears to have a discipline issue at the highest officer ranks.
*Sadly, not limited to Army, as made clear by the former SecNav and current leakers.
DISCLAIMER: My youngest son is the first officer in the family since the Civil War, so I'm a bit biased.
*Sadly, not limited to Army, as made clear by the former SecNav and current leakers.
DISCLAIMER: My youngest son is the first officer in the family since the Civil War, so I'm a bit biased.
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Catering to the New generation of military is a big mistake.
Starting with basic and advanced training discipline and respect for rank need to be maintained. Leaders need to not be afraid to put their subordinates inline when someone breaks the rules or shows disrespect to their leadership.
I am going to put this issue on the shoulders of leadership. Stop treating your troops as equals. You are the leader so lead.
Starting with basic and advanced training discipline and respect for rank need to be maintained. Leaders need to not be afraid to put their subordinates inline when someone breaks the rules or shows disrespect to their leadership.
I am going to put this issue on the shoulders of leadership. Stop treating your troops as equals. You are the leader so lead.
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It's not the lower ranking service members who are the problem it's the lack of leadership.
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It's a question of training. The training that the liberal P{residents like Bill Clinton instituted is causing all sorts of troubles. From discipline in the lower ranks to depression, PTSD and suicide in returning servicemen.
when my father went through basic in 1942, a Drill Instructor could beat the stuffing out of you. When I went through basic in 1981, the Drill Instructors couldn't lay a hand on you but could scream obscenities in your face and tap you with the leading edge of their hat (I have a permanent crease across my forehead, lol). Now they can't even yell at a raw recruit because it causes "stress". STRESS?!? I've also been hearing about something that's called "stress cards" being handed out to recruits in basic, but haven't gotten around to finding out if it's true or not. I hope not. We're doomed as it is, what with substandard training and a President who pulls us "out of harms way" because he doesn't want us getting hurt.
when my father went through basic in 1942, a Drill Instructor could beat the stuffing out of you. When I went through basic in 1981, the Drill Instructors couldn't lay a hand on you but could scream obscenities in your face and tap you with the leading edge of their hat (I have a permanent crease across my forehead, lol). Now they can't even yell at a raw recruit because it causes "stress". STRESS?!? I've also been hearing about something that's called "stress cards" being handed out to recruits in basic, but haven't gotten around to finding out if it's true or not. I hope not. We're doomed as it is, what with substandard training and a President who pulls us "out of harms way" because he doesn't want us getting hurt.
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The problem is the general lack of character among young people these days. I was raised with the Judeo-Christian ethic in place. We respected teachers, cops, pastors, and soldiers. We knew our duty was to serve our country. Now, after two generations of lazy, undisciplined parents and socialist teachers, young people have no such ideals. Situational reality, me-first-and-always attitudes, and "America ain't so great" indoctrination are often the core principles of today's youth (up to age 35 or so). The solution is not simple. President Trump, despite his personal character flaws, is leading the way to a restoration of the values our Founding Fathers put in place. Diligence, rigid consistency in enforcement of standards, and a strategy of building pride in unit and nation are appropriate means to return discipline to the military.
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It all starts at home. If these children didn't learn to discipline themselves with parental guidance, this is going to show rather rapidly. There are those who can adjust to military expectations and those who will not. They need to be culled a.s.a.p.
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Capt Michael Wilford
I agree, CWO3, and I thought that was one of the purposes for recruit training, but apparently that is not the case anymore. Stress cards, sensitivity training, and myriad other social experiments that Congress seems to think the military needs to make our troops more globally sensitive are weakening our defensive posture. I seem to recall that when I signed up, it was voluntary, I was signing up to be a paid professional solider (term used generically), and it was with the understanding that I could go to war and possibly kill or be killed. Now those emphases takes a back seat to getting benefits and money for college.
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My son served as a medic with the Army. My second hand observation seemed to demonstrate a lack of jr NCO leadership. Specialists with a clear lack of leadership skill were prevalent.
My Son, contributed to the issue. He joined somewhat older than average, 20ish, and resented kids as leaders.
Post Deployment, time, and promotion improved the situation but the Army lost a good soldier after 1 term.
My Son, contributed to the issue. He joined somewhat older than average, 20ish, and resented kids as leaders.
Post Deployment, time, and promotion improved the situation but the Army lost a good soldier after 1 term.
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Millennials rule and there’s no discipline anymore in today’s army I’m old-school infantry guy and I still know guys that was in the service with that say today’s army is definitely not the army in so deal with it
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When you have a LTC deciding whether or not their commander in chief is engaged in an inappropriate phone conversation with another worlds leader then you have a fucking problem. That is how Stalin ran Russia and his military.
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NCO's need to start putting foot to asses. That's one thing I never tolerated, disrespect.
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