Why does the Army not have as much pride as the Marines?

Who and why

I for one have just as much pride in the Army as any Marine has in the Corps. I serve in a joint unit. You can’t say that a service has more pride than another; they just have different cultures.

I do, more than any jarhead could ever have

Who says that the Army does not have as much pride as the Marine Corps. I proudly served for 24 years and would not have it any other way. I worked with quite a few "former" Marines during my career so I always ask myself, " If there is so much pride in being a Marine, why do so many of them leave? Seems to me that the Marine Corps tries to brainwash a lot of them. My 2 cents worth. Army Strong.

I’ve actually pondered over this myself on occasion since I truly love the Army myself as you do. I did notice that it had a lot to do with were the complaining ones were located; what commands they fell under and then I remembered one of my earlier duty stations where even I nearly left the Army because of the way we were treated. I loved being a soldier and never expected to be babied but at the unit that had me so feeling down I felt like I wasn’t worth anything and that we all were only numbers/robots and we were made to feel that having families was the greatest burden. While I was assigned to that unit I had 2 days off in my 3 years I spent there beside of the few days leave I took and once I had a week off on Quarters for having a walking pneumonia. This almost caused me my marriage at the time since I left the house before anyone was ever awake and usually didn’t make it home until it was dark out and my kids were already in bed again and we worked 7 days a week because mail has to keep moving; which is understandable. There would have been ways to occasionally give a few people a weekend off but the command didn’t see it that way. For me personally this was the only unit where things were this severe but have heard from others that had comparable stories. For the majority of the soldiers in the Army though I don’t think that they lack in pride of the Army; it often is brought on by exposure to bad leadership for the ones that feel that way. Those Commands that stand behind their soldiers and show that they truly care about their soldiers usually get the same in return. I also understand the craziness of the current Optempo with having more missions than personnel to cover them safely at times it’s easy to forget that inside those uniforms are human beings not robots.

Without reading all the comments, I believe it comes down to discipline. The individual discipline is lacking in the Army.

Yes; if the Army quits trying to side-step issues and puts soldiers above the rest, pride in the Army will breach the brim CSM Carl Cunningham. There is a lot of pride for the Army in soldiers, but only if the Army can exploit it by cleaning the old barren wood from its decks to allow soldiers their dues and to cure past errors.

C2 SGM, I too still love the Army I once served (even though the girl did try to kill me several times LOL), there is the same kind of pride in the Army that you are speaking about. But (unfortunately) it seems to reside exclusively as a rule in the combat arms side of the house. The Marine Corps. being the smallest branch of the four branches means that even those in traditional noncombat MOS's will have had to fill a short fall as a grunt because !: The Corps. being smaller personal wise, need to be able to draw on anyone from any of it's support units to fight should they find themselves in a tight spot, who have better than average amount of infantry experience than his counterpart in the Army would. The Army being the largest branch (larger than it's three sister services combined) has a greater reservoir of combat arms personal that it has rarely had to pull clerks, mechanics or cooks into every soldier and marines overall job of rifleman. I'm not saying there are no hard core proud soldiers in the noncombat support MOS's, but the combat arms side of the Army house is where you will find that same pride that you spoke of the Corps. having, the same courage and combat proficiency and toughness, the only real difference is that each has a different culture which plays a good part in how the fore mention are expressed by those troops (Soldier or Marine.). I do know from what I myself experienced from the time I enlisted in 1982 at 17 and all the changes I saw in the Army in particular and Marines in general, right up to the end of my last deployment to OIF in 05 I can honestly say that the PC culture that creeped into the Army and Corps. have done harm to overall attitudes of it's members and the harm of the 8 years of the last administration were significant to the moral, culture and psychology of the 2 branches. With the new administration, retooling and a Def. Secretary like Mattis who knows what needs to be fixed, there is reason to be optimistic. The military as you know, is unique as an institution among all the other institutions that make up the moving parts of the federal government in that it exists as a subculture (warrior culture) which concepts of courage, honor, valor and patriotism are not the quasi concept they seem to be in the civilian world, but real, tangible way of believing, conducting ones self and to live by. The last 2 Democrat administration (Clinton, Obama) did serious harm to the military culture by using it as a social engineering experiment.I could write a book, but you are a senior grade NCO, you know what I am saying.

Pride to me is an individual state of mind, in any branch of service the soldier, sailor, or Marine is a reflection of their respect of self. While in service, deployed to Nam, there was not so much unit pride, or even individual, but pride was who we stood beside, those fought alongside, the dedication and respect to perform top shelf with no thought about it. So i suppose the training, dedication to brothers in arm to me made the difference. Coming back to the world, being stationed at a training school as an instructor, there seemed to be a lack of brotherhood and respect for one another, a loss of pride if you will. So again I say pride comes from inside, the spirit, the love, not from the uniform or the unit.

I disagree. There are two armys. The regular army or "Big Army" and Special Operations Forces. The SOF Units and personnel love what they do and care about one thing and that is completeing the mission. It doesn't matter if you are an operator or support. You take pride above all the rest. It starts with the Airborne and goes all the way afterwards.