Why does the Army not have as much pride as the Marines?

Marine Corps 2nd Lts must complete the one year Basic Officer School, Marine Corps Base, Quantico, VA. We were trained to be Platoon and Company Commanders. Training included USMC History, weapons, tactics, organizational structure, ordnance, rifle and pistol range qualifications, and many operational training exercises. We became indoctrinated with love and pride for our Corps! Once this training was complete we could apply for a Military Occupation Specialty. But we were trained to be Grunts, 0302 Infantry Officers. We became a brotherhood and led by example - don't ask any subordinate to do anything you can not accomplish. I was the first to run the obstacle course. Marines by themselves are like most other military service personnel, but in a combat situation a Marine is not going to let down the Marines on his left or right (this also applies when on liberty in civilian clothes)!. Marines take self criticism and self evaluation as methods to improve performance but do not take kindly to outside organizations or personnel giving us criticism, advice, or disrespect! Once a Marine you will always be a Marine whether you are on Active Duty, Retired, or a Marine Veteran. We are The Proud, The Few, The United States Marines. Major USMC Retired. . . Ooh Rah!

I don't know about now with post-p.c. military correctness but when I graduated from bootcamp: MCRD SAN DIEGO, the experience was so life changing (unless you were some brain dead person...) So transformative that I believed and and still do the graduation speech made by Gunny Heartman in Full Metal Jacket "...From now on, until the day you die, every Marine is your brother..." (I still call any former Marine I know and Meet "My Brother" or "Sister" WM's I don't give a rats ass what race or creed I see I don't even care what MOS, Combat or No Combat experience they'be had (I'm an 0300 Combat Vet)...I know what they went through at Perris Island or San Diego...and for that alone they are family.

I don't sweat it...what branch any one chooses to join, it's based on that persons mental comprehension of what that branch has to offer. I had a grandfather post WWI that was Army. I had four uncles in WWII...2 marines and 2 Army.....one of the Army uncles lost a leg at the Bulge. There was no competitiveness between the 4 brothers, even after the war. My father was 21 years Navy...three PBR tours in Nam and a destroyer tour during the Korean war. Me, I was Army. I then retired from the NH state police as a trooper with 24 years. And the real pride I have, the real bragging rights I claim, are my three years as a soldier in the United States Army, not the 24 as a state police trooper. That's what Army pride is.

No

It is a culture of immersion for the Marine Corps. Their basic is all about fundamentals of being a Marine and the history and lineage of the Corps. It’s followed by Combat training. I believe the Army needs to adopt some of the cultural immersion beyond the “prodlfwssion of arms”. As a Garrison CSM I observe Soldiers from all 3 components of the Army training in garrison and the field. I would present my coin to a Soldier if he could tell me the history and lineage of his/her patch. Much to my chagrin few had a clue. Units can help build Army pride by ensuring Soldiers understand what the unit patch represents. It would be a start. Also, The Corps is all about the Corps - no unit patch or DUI.

I believe it comes down to 3 things Military barring, earning your rank and respect, both self respect as well as respect for any rank senior to the individual soldiers current rank. I know a Soldier whom was promoted to Sgt. In only 2 years. I asked this soldier did he feel that he was proficient enough to be able to answer any technical questions pertaining to his MOS and did he feel he had the experience to confidently lead and make difficult decisions in battle. His answer was No. So why are they just giving away rank with out proving that the individual is deserves it and working hard to earn it?
While I was in Iraq with 6th Marines in 2007 my unit transferred some Comm equipment to an Army unit in Baharia. While I as a Corporal was speaking with an Army PFC the Army Sgt Major came walking up, I quickly gave him the proper greeting of the day and acknowledged his rank. The Army PFC walked up to him and gave him a hand shake like boys on back on the block asking him "what's Crackin Sarge" the Sgt Major then engaged this PFC as if they were best friends it blew my mind. I as a Corporal would not even speak to a Staff Sergeant like that. At that point in time my view of the Army was forever obscured.

The U.S. Army and Marine Corps are not like things at all. The Army is massive compared to the Marine Corps, which is literally Naval Infantry and support. The Army is to big and impersonal, and to comprehensive. The Army doesn't just train Soldiers but train all members of all branches, sometimes making it hard to tell where the US Armed Forces ends and the Army begins. But the Army has plenty to be proud of for the educated and informed soldier, a history that can't be matched. But smaller organizations always have a greater sense of identity and brotherhood. That being said, in the Army extreme pride usually comes along the lines of Regimental affiliation, something alien to the Marines. My first Regiment was the 9th Infantry Regiment, Manchus, the Regimental name taken from the fact the Regiment took down the last Chinese Dynasty in history, the Manchu Dynasty, at the turn of the last century. Something every 9th Infantry Regiment Soldier held with special pride. The 9th Infantry Regiment was also deployed along the Korean DMZ as far north and closest to the DMZ southern barrier fence than any other infantry unit in the Army or Marine Corp. It wasn't Marines who patrolled inside the DMZ but Soldiers of the 2ID and 9th Infantry Regiment. Manchu soldiers even had special uniform designs marking them separate from the all other service members in Korea and the 8th Army. Now the 2ID had other Regiments that also patrolled the DMZ as well, and most all soldiers of those regiments felt the same about their regiments as the Manchus did about theirs. What regiment was the best was the kind of thing soldiers would get into bar fights over, again, something other service members outside Army combat arms wouldn't understand. And I can assure you no Army Infantry soldier I ever knew saw the Marines as elite or better than the soldiers of their own regiment, honestly, they would laugh at the very idea. Infantry Soldiers of the Army's 187th Infantry Regiment, Rakassans, would look at Marines as rookies. I know this may come as a shock to many Marines and even AF or Navy veterans but having been a Rakassan as well, I can personally attest to this. Amd this is how it should be, no soldier who didn't think he represented the best fighting ground forces in the world would be worth his salt. And trust me, be they Manchus, or Rakassans, or 504 PIR Devil in Baggy Pants with the 82nd Airborne, they all honestly believed they were the best ground fighting force in the world. I can't speak for all Army Infantry as I was never Mechanized, but I know the Infantry Regiments of those divisions have equally prestigious histories such as The Rock of the Marne Regiment. So it isn't that the Army doesn't have as much pride as the Marines, its just many service members don't understand the Army. As myself an Army Infantry soldier I looked at Marine non-Infantry personnel just like I did Army non-Infantry personnel, that they were weak POGs that couldn't hang with me. And as far as Marine Infantry went, my opinion was, until you can come to my unit and hang, and out road march me, out PT me, out run me and hump more weight than I could, you weren't shit. That was the typical attitude I remember from the units I served in anyway. I know Marines have alot of pride in their Globe and Anchor symbol, but I'd never trade my blue cord or any of my regimental crests for it. That is how alot of Army feels about being Army.

The army has its rank n file. Anything less than an E5 basically is treated poorly. However each group is definitely a product of leadership. The unit, the squad, the platoon, the battalion. They are broke down into smaller groups. That way the training is more concentrated. Weapons, radios, navigation , etc etc.
The upper leadership does have its dumb asses. The ones with huge attitude in the sense of I am god you are a lowly peon. Retaliation is high especially if a higher rank screws up and the lower ranks shows the error. Instead of hey gee thanks, it’s more of I’ll show you type of attitude. Each group or subgroup either has a leader of sorts that either cares alot about training them really well or others that do nothing to help them improve.
My son is army. I always tell him treat them in a leadership role but you don’t have to be an ass about it. People learn at different rates. Some may need you to go over it a few times. Once you take the time to teach them they will respect you more and work harder for you.

No for several reasons. A certain type of person enlists in the Marine Corp. The psychology at Boot Camp is different. You are made tough mentally an physically in Boot Camp. You are taught the History of the corp. All this is taught to every Marine regardless of Mos. Because every Marine is Basically a Rifleman. All Marines are brothers. Even the paratroops and Rangers don't understand Marine Pride When I was stationed at Camp Lejune I would take a bus from my home in Ohio and It would stop at Ft. Bragg and I would have to change Buses. Sometimes I would spend a few hrs. in the Bus Station At Ft. Bragg. I had my Marine Green Uniform on, I was only A PFC., The Guys that were in the paratroops would always ask me a lot of questions about the Corp. They respected the Marines. The Marines only Have one role. They are the tip of the spear. The army was like a 9 to 5 Job for a lot of people. The discipline was lax. People didn't want to go to schools when they were offered. The Army had a specialist rank from E-4 t0 E-9 at one time because they reckonized not everyone is a leader. After the Vietnam war they dropped all the specialists ranks except Sp/4. In the Marine Corp everyone is expected to be a leader, From Pvt.to Pfc. and on up. It always next man up. I was in the Corp from 59 to 63 and in the army from 63 to66. Semper fi.

Because...It has become a "mute issue" and treated like a "non-essential" subject because it "interferes" with "mission" goals and purpose!
I have been retired for 6 years, finishing a career from "75 - 13". Even though there was a "moral" issue coming out of a "Vietnam" issue, the "pride" issue was not a problem where I was.
As a "Senior NCO" (E7-9) I pressed for "Heritage, Customs and Courtesy" along with mission, schedules and the "I'm a Combat Soldier" mentality.
Those coming up through the ranks during the last 17 yrs of the "Global War" have repressed the need to "instill Pride in all their subordinates"! The only pride these leaders had or have was the pride they could get pinned on their ASUs!
"If there is not "History, Heritage, Pride and Purpose" given or directed toward those we "Senior NCO" lead, we will not have the "Pride" that is equal to that of the other services! "TEACH THE JUNIOR NCOs"!

Absolutely with personal responsibility, from my own experience in the corps if you mess up you mess up not your chain of command in the Army we but blame everywhere but the individual just like the responsibility of accountability it is everyone not the individual adult. (Just my thoughts.)

I wrote this response regarding another topic. ("I've always known to salute Warrant Officers. Now I hear that we don't need to. Am I missing something?") I believe it is also appropriate here. Here is that reply.
It never ceases to amaze me. Why oh why is it almost ALWAYS the Army? If there is a question regarding military protocol, uniform regs, basic frigging common sense, etc... it seems like it always has something to do with the Army. I do realize that no other branch of the military is as strict, as rigid, and as uncompromising as the Marine Corps. But, the Army seems to be a glaring example of non conformity. How in the hell do "soldiers" graduate boot camp if they do not possess the "BASIC" knowledge required to exist in the military? Until I joined this site and was exposed to this level of stupidity, I thought making fun of the Army was just Esprit De Corps. It now seems to me that, for the most part, the Army is one huge cluster f**k.

Just because the Army's indoctrination involves less of it's own cheerleading and doesn't promote a cult mentality among it's members doesn't mean we're not proud of our branch.

The honor of the regiment has been an Army thing since at least the Civil War and possibly since it's founding. Elementis Regamus Proelium

Yes we have the same pride and Hooah the marines do. I have worked with all the services We all have good and bad but I will put my Soldiers against any other service. It’s the attitude and good and bad Hooah

Army has pride in their branch and unit especially in the units or branch history. The Army also doesn't have a very inspirational song like the Marines.

By the time I retired, I had already noticed that soldiers dont take pride in their service, they more or less treat it like a job and a place to get off the streets of America. I often seen way to many soldiers who shouldn't have been progressing as fast as they should have, but, when your drinking and hanging out with your NCO'S in your off time... well, I think I am making my point. Either way, their is no Army wide pride in service and NCO's are not upholding standards of the look of soldiers... Hair that is not regulation, uniforms that are to big and sagging, etc. Until soldiers are held to standard there will never be the pride of service like the Marine Corps.

"I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love." The Army is a giant bureaucracy that often hypocritically contradicts itself and can't even agree how to wear a patrol cap. There are numerous Soldiers that don't know regulations or simply ignore the regulations that try to implement "one size fits all" policies that screw over Soldiers in the name of reducing the staff's workload. Slang and obsolete terminology often dominates over official nomenclature and current terminology making it nearly impossible for Soldiers to find information in doctrine. The reasons Soldiers dislike the Army are plenty; not to mention all the BS like this: https://taskandpurpose.com/mattis-niger-ambush-blame/

The USMC has the best brainwashing and marketing of all branches. The entire Marine Corps is smaller than just the Army Reserve yet USMC merchandise sales (stickers, hats, shirts, mugs, posters, etc.) rivals Army sales and there are far more Army Soldiers (currently serving and veterans), than Marines.

The USMC is so small and the turnover is so high, that it is easier to retell more tales with heroic pride and eliminate things that are unwanted or embarrassing. They are able to stay on message and indoctrinate their members far better than the other services. There is also a personal pride and near universal peer pressure that embraces and emboldens "Semper Fidelis". This is often reinforced daily in their customs, traditions, and service mythology. Marines are often required to memorize and repeat their mythology at various schools and selection boards. It is also a point of individual pride to out do other Marines in being able to recall or recite the more obscure aspects of USMC trivia/lore.

Every service has it's own mythology, legends, and fairy tales, but the extent that Marines as a whole seem to believe the tales appears to be far greater than in the other services. Explaining to a Marine that one of their fairy tales isn't true is sort of like telling a kid that Santa isn't real.

Take the tale of "blood stripes" as an example. Every Marine is taught that the “blood stripe,” commemorates Marines killed in the battle of Chapultepec in 1847. However, the reality is that the wearing of stripes on the trousers pre-dates the battle. In fact, Marine Corps trousers from as far back as the 1790s had red welts and piping down the outer seams. I believe only one Marine NCO was killed in the battle too.

https://www.usmcmuseum.com/lore-of-the-corps.html
https://taskandpurpose.com/everything-know-marine-corps-uniform-wrong/
https://archive.org/stream/MarineCorpsLore#mode/2up

Once a marine always a marine. The army does not take this attitude 100 percent.