Posted on Sep 6, 2015
Why Does the Army Treat its Reservists and National Guard Soldiers Like Second Class Citizens?
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I've spent 37 years in the Army, in both the active and reserve components. Most of my career has been in the reserves. Regardless, I've consistently seen different "rules" and regs applied not to mention the never ending attitude on deployments that reservists and guardsmen are inferior to active component Soldiers.The active component gets promoted faster, has priority at required schools and typically treats reservists/guardsmen like second class Soldiers on deployments. I can give dozens of examples if needed but I'll save it for now. Bottom line is the Reserves/Guard constitute the bulk of the Army - the Army needs the Reserve/Guard and can't do without them so treat them as equals and not second class Soldiers. Give them the same opportunities for promotion and schools. And especially to the active component, quit assuming we are "inferior" Soldiers during deployments. We often outperform active duty Soldiers plus we bring a multitude of other skills to the table - we are cops, engineers, CEO's, nurses and so on. Let's make everything equitable.
Just to clarify, not all AC elements are like this, nor are all RC/NG elements "top shelf." This issue is a problem that has been around since when I joined the Army in 1978 - I'm sure it goes back even further. This post is about fixing attitudes, ending stereotypes and providing equal educational opportunities to RC/NG Soldiers that AC Soldiers enjoy.
Just to clarify, not all AC elements are like this, nor are all RC/NG elements "top shelf." This issue is a problem that has been around since when I joined the Army in 1978 - I'm sure it goes back even further. This post is about fixing attitudes, ending stereotypes and providing equal educational opportunities to RC/NG Soldiers that AC Soldiers enjoy.
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After over 14.5 years of active duty AF. I will say that in my 8.5 years in the Army Reserve I was treated very well and felt that we were ready to go do our assigned mission if called.
During our AT, we were received and shown respect by the cadre at our assignment.
During our AT, we were received and shown respect by the cadre at our assignment.
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So So correct, I witnessed this myself while serving in the Army Reserves on Active duty. My unit being treated unfairly. We Put our life on the line just like Active duty with less benefits. And may do longer deployments. I was stationed in Bosnia with an Active duty Air Force unit the deployment was 4 months. My Reserve unit was 6 months an we worked our butts off. My Unit filed a complaint on the Band Unit in Germany. While we where on our way to Bosnia our Unit had to stay in the Band Unit barracks. We where treated very unfair. For starters women an men had to live together in the Attic. We made the best of it. But the kicker was being told we couldn't use the latrines on the 5th 4th 3rd 2nd flr. We had to walk from the 6th floor to the 1st floor where the offices where located and used the latrines.
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There’s always the perception the Reserve and Guard Members aren’t as good as the Active Component.
I’ve always loved the challenge of proving them wrong.
I’ve always loved the challenge of proving them wrong.
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A lot of it stemmed from the fact that few National Guard and Army Reserve were mobilized during Vietnam and service in either was considered almost draft dodging. The fact was that most of the post Vietnam Senior Leadership had that Idea instead of looking at the Historical record that in all the previous large conflicts, Guard units were often the first units in combat. While some of that was changing when I joined in 1982, if you look at the first large scale mobilization during Desert Storm, the Round Out combat units were not deployed with their divisions and no Army National Guard combat unit was sent to Saudi Arabia, although several were taken to NTC and abused as an excuse not to deploy them (I had just come back from a round out at NTC and can personally tell you how many Active Units get their asses kicked their at the time, All Of Them). It's simply not possible today to operate without integrating the Guard and Reserve, but some of the old prejudices still exist. I really didn't hear anything negative about the performance of the Guard in the War on Terror, so hopefully those prejudices are going away.
The funny thing is that in the case of Engineer, Maintenance, Transportation and Medical units, the performance on the Guard/Reserve side was superior to those Active Units. I would have matched my Engineer Company against any on Active Duty, I had real, experienced operators and mechanics and even the 12B's really knew their jobs and took them serious.
The Air Force has always done a better job integrating their Reservist than the rest of the Services.
The funny thing is that in the case of Engineer, Maintenance, Transportation and Medical units, the performance on the Guard/Reserve side was superior to those Active Units. I would have matched my Engineer Company against any on Active Duty, I had real, experienced operators and mechanics and even the 12B's really knew their jobs and took them serious.
The Air Force has always done a better job integrating their Reservist than the rest of the Services.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
I suppose part of the issue stems from the fact that most MI Soldiers in the Reserves do not deploy as a unit, we deploy as individuals as back fill because the active component is short, so we don't have the overhead cover other Soldiers do who deploy as a unit. It's strange that there is still this animosity between active and Reserve/NG Soldiers - I suppose there is good reason if the Soldier who shows up is ate up but that is very rare these days - much rarer than back in the 70's - 80's because we are constantly getting deployed.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) - Deployments have not been uncommon since the late 80's, a lot of units were rotated on the numerous Peacekeeping Missions and the Engineer side of things were doing Civil Action Projects supported by Guard and Army Reserve Engineer in Central and South America. The units that were getting hosed was the Combat Arms units. As I indicated early, none of the Round Out units deployed, over the objection of their various Division Commands. We were told that came right from Powell and Storming Norman. They even deployed Active Engineer units outside of their specialties instead of using trained NG Units. I was commander of a Mechanized Divisional Combat Engineer Co where many of us had done a rotation at NTC as OPFOR and we had excellent operators and mechanics, but we sat with our bags packed and pallets loaded while they sent units like the 82nd out of Bamburg that were Construction Engineers.
I think that most of the old Vietnam Era guys are retiring and as they do, so does a lot of the resistance to using Reservist. Of course, it's probably physically impossible not to use the today. Hopefully the Army will get to the same point as the Air Force, where you have no idea if the guy flying your airplane is Reserve or Active Duty.
I think that most of the old Vietnam Era guys are retiring and as they do, so does a lot of the resistance to using Reservist. Of course, it's probably physically impossible not to use the today. Hopefully the Army will get to the same point as the Air Force, where you have no idea if the guy flying your airplane is Reserve or Active Duty.
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I agree that we as National Guard are just as good as the active military. We have just as much training and knowledge
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When I was AD I had two experiences with NG soldiers. One hit the 911 button on a BFT spinning us up for QRF needlessly as well as taking air assets away from where they would potentially be needed. The other experience was an NG convoy firing at our COP thinking our tower was an enemy position. So we were all pretty biased against the NG (rightfully so Id think). BUT when I switched to the guard I was a team leader in a squad that was just as good if not better at some things than my AD unit is.
Now as far as schools and equipment go that's probably just a state funded vs federal funded issue.
Now as far as schools and equipment go that's probably just a state funded vs federal funded issue.
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I spent 13+ years on Active Duty in the Corps. Got out for 9 years to raise my son. Wanted back in, but the Corps does not take old men; even when you have a lot of specialties.
Went to the Guard and still in the Guard. As with Active Duty Units...Guard units are hit or miss.
At the end of the day..it really boils down to one thing... Active Duty or Guard. Poor leadership = Poor Unit. NCO's are the backbone. If you have a unit that has Poor NCO's... you have a Poor Unit.
Best Example was my battalion; 1st Bn 9th Marines at Horno in 86. Bad NCO's and Senior Leadership = Bad unit. Next Training Cycle - New BC/Sgt Major/First Sgt's/Company Commanders/SNCO's and NCO's. = Best Infantry Bn in the Corps (on the west coast anyway - don't want to pick a fight with Camp Swampy (even though I was stationed there for 7 years and 4 deployments))
Now I am in the Guard. Hot and Cold. Iraq Deployment with Mostly good NCO's = Mostly Good Deployment.
We don't train like fight. We don't do the basics over and over. We are stuck doing SRP after SRP after SRP. CEI/PHA's/Sensitivity/SuicidePrevention/insert more useless classes here that take away from "Lethality Training." Don't get me started on using Behavioral Health to get out of everything!!! - the Magic "No-Go" bullet.
NCO's need to step up...or you need to be E-4's.
I am frustrated by what I see, experience and try and correct over and over!
We need to change the way we train in the Guard...Yes I have a plan for that.
Went to the Guard and still in the Guard. As with Active Duty Units...Guard units are hit or miss.
At the end of the day..it really boils down to one thing... Active Duty or Guard. Poor leadership = Poor Unit. NCO's are the backbone. If you have a unit that has Poor NCO's... you have a Poor Unit.
Best Example was my battalion; 1st Bn 9th Marines at Horno in 86. Bad NCO's and Senior Leadership = Bad unit. Next Training Cycle - New BC/Sgt Major/First Sgt's/Company Commanders/SNCO's and NCO's. = Best Infantry Bn in the Corps (on the west coast anyway - don't want to pick a fight with Camp Swampy (even though I was stationed there for 7 years and 4 deployments))
Now I am in the Guard. Hot and Cold. Iraq Deployment with Mostly good NCO's = Mostly Good Deployment.
We don't train like fight. We don't do the basics over and over. We are stuck doing SRP after SRP after SRP. CEI/PHA's/Sensitivity/SuicidePrevention/insert more useless classes here that take away from "Lethality Training." Don't get me started on using Behavioral Health to get out of everything!!! - the Magic "No-Go" bullet.
NCO's need to step up...or you need to be E-4's.
I am frustrated by what I see, experience and try and correct over and over!
We need to change the way we train in the Guard...Yes I have a plan for that.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
LOL, I know what you mean about SRP and all the Sensitivity, Sexual Harassment, Suicide Prevention, etc, etc., same thing at my unit. "Mandatory Training." Good luck with your plan. I agree that each unit's success is based on good leadership, however, when deployed in my unit (MI), we do not ever go as a unit with our command teams - we are parceled out and dropped in where the active component needs us. I thought after all this time this ridiculous bias would go away but it's still there - all it takes is for one jacked up reservist or guard guy and we all get painted with the same brush. Frankly it seems worse today than in 2004. The jacked up active guys are seen as individuals and an exception to the rule.
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