Posted on May 28, 2015
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Carbine backwards mag
I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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Amn Joseph H.
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In 1963 we had to qualify with that carbine, they were old, but believe 30 caliber, and was explained to me that we would have to be trained to defend a flight line or maybe do counter-insurgency? And of course until 1947 we were the Army:) Thought the range almost not worth the time, except to scare the shit out of those unfamiliar with weapons:) It was my impression we were all suppose to know how to balance a load in any aircraft. Weapons I never thought of as anything but tools, like aircraft. When on my 17 birthday joining was sure the military would have me taught whatever they wanted me to know:) Did notice the ground pounders, especially Marines kept everything but shotgun and 45 away from AF Police:) At Offutt AFB sites they were using that AR-15, thought it 30 cal not 223, was a superior rifle, the M-16 so not much. My favorite rifle was my uncles 30-06 Springfield I , he also had a German 8mm, my brother and who eventually served were taken to a junkyard to shoot car doors with both, Mauser hurt my arm:) Ran into a few people that thought all of us should be William Tell, but most realized that would have made our armed forces pretty small:) Think the AF thought of us all as specialist, still believe that.
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MSgt Don Dobbs
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Today Airmen undergo weapons training as well as Air Base ground defense and chemical warfare training. Basic for Airmen has been lengthened to 8 weeks Airmen are issued M-16's (dummy weapons) in early training and spend an entire week in the field. No they are by no means infantry trained killers, but they are no longer clueless when faced with combat situations, and they do qualify with the M-16 live fire training.
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MAJ Hugh Blanchard
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The USAF Security Forces are very good. They are NOT ground maneuver forces, they are intended to protect USAF assets and places. But what they do, they do very well, as do the Army MP's.
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SGT Greg Gold
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You obviously haven't spent time with some of the Soldier's I've known. Even though every enlisted MOS in the Army is required to qualify annually, I feel safer when some of them aren't armed.
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PO2 Lon Hebert
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when I was in the air force in 71 everyone had to be small arms qualified cause most of us were sent to Nam. I went to Danang before I went to Nam the air force sent me to travis for additional weapons training M-60, granade launcher, laws antitank weapon. glad I learned.
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TSgt Ray Lewis
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I was in the Air Force and my job was a Marksmanship Instructor. I trained a lot of Airmen on how to use a Carbine and a M-16 and a pistol.. Trained a lot of Security Members also. If you think it is easy to keep a plane flying. The mechanics have to go through a lot of training that most Security personal would have nightmares trying. That was why they have a Security Force to protect those that have a real job to do.
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Amn Joseph H.
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Hahaha
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MSG Chuck Pewsey
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Years ago I worked with an Army major who had been in the Air Police (whatever it was called then) in Vietnam. If you wanted to set him off, hint the Army defended air bases!
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SSgt Robert Jorgensen
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The airman is busy maintaining the aircraft the Army and Marines call for all the time. And the pilots really appreciate having an Airman that knows the aircraft they are being strapped into. Besides the Army and Marine guys need something to complain about other then our cushy beds, chow halls and food. But on another note, I was trained ona M16 in basic, I had to qualify with it and once upon a time I was even disqualified because the Army instructor could only count 35 hit out of 150, never mind the center of the target was gone, just saying!
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SrA James Schroyer
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I was in through the entire 90's. We had to be proficient.
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TSgt Bill Gornto
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When j went to. Bootcamp were learned base defense week of field training, week of rifle training then qualifying ..the yearly, qualifications were still required when I left 22 years later
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