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This is for all of us, but I give one stark example why we all need to heed warnings like this...because we have a duty to carry and protect our own, and how can we do that if we do not know. I personally have two 9mm and primarily because of carry capacity and cheapness and availability of ammo. State your reasons for owning a 9mm....or reasons why you do not.
Why one cop now carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job ...
Lastly, I know there are still those of you reading this and about to blow a top because you can't believe that .45 is somehow not a "man stopper" ...
I am about to prove to you scientifically that the 9mm is just as effective as the .45 with today's modern ammo, but you'll want to reply with what you know to be true, have seen, or "real world experience" ...
Before you do that, you should know about Police Sergeant Timothy Gramin ...
Sergeant Gramin used to carry 47 rounds of .45 ammunition while on duty. That was before he got in a gunfight with an attacker who would not go down. The police officer shot the man 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition - six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
The final three shots that the police officer fired were into the suspects head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain.
In case you missed that, the officer shot the man 11 times with .45 and then 3 more times in the HEAD before the guy finally stopped fighting.
And lest you try to convince yourself that the attacker was drugged up, to quote the report, "Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system."
The full story can be found here on PoliceOne.com. But the point is that yes, even the .45 caliber will not guarantee you a "one shot stop".
Oh, and by the way, Sergeant Gramins now carries a 9mm on the job ...
" ... Now unfailingly he goes to work carrying 145 handgun rounds, all 9 mm. These include three extra 17-round magazines for his primary sidearm (currently a Glock 17), plus two 33-round mags tucked in his vest, as well as the backup gun [Glock 26]"
If you are still convinced that your .45 is better, then there's nothing I can say now that will convince you otherwise, so let's just get to the list (which includes .45 anyways) ...
Why one cop now carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job ...
Lastly, I know there are still those of you reading this and about to blow a top because you can't believe that .45 is somehow not a "man stopper" ...
I am about to prove to you scientifically that the 9mm is just as effective as the .45 with today's modern ammo, but you'll want to reply with what you know to be true, have seen, or "real world experience" ...
Before you do that, you should know about Police Sergeant Timothy Gramin ...
Sergeant Gramin used to carry 47 rounds of .45 ammunition while on duty. That was before he got in a gunfight with an attacker who would not go down. The police officer shot the man 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition - six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
The final three shots that the police officer fired were into the suspects head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain.
In case you missed that, the officer shot the man 11 times with .45 and then 3 more times in the HEAD before the guy finally stopped fighting.
And lest you try to convince yourself that the attacker was drugged up, to quote the report, "Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system."
The full story can be found here on PoliceOne.com. But the point is that yes, even the .45 caliber will not guarantee you a "one shot stop".
Oh, and by the way, Sergeant Gramins now carries a 9mm on the job ...
" ... Now unfailingly he goes to work carrying 145 handgun rounds, all 9 mm. These include three extra 17-round magazines for his primary sidearm (currently a Glock 17), plus two 33-round mags tucked in his vest, as well as the backup gun [Glock 26]"
If you are still convinced that your .45 is better, then there's nothing I can say now that will convince you otherwise, so let's just get to the list (which includes .45 anyways) ...
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I own several caliber pistols. I have a 1911 style .45, a .357 mag revolver and a polymer 9mm semi auto to name my favorites. I can fire all of these pistols accurately to their max ranges and I do so regularly. I personally carry a 1911 commanders model .45 because that is what is most comfortable to me. I have carried my 9mm in the past but I am much more comfortable with my 1911. I don't carry the revolver because of lack of ammo in one load (5 vs 8 or 16). The article above (in full) displays first and foremost placement of the shot is more crucial than size of caliber fired. Shot placement and the ability to follow up until the threat is neutralized is the name of the game, no matter if it's a .17HMR or a 155mm howitzer accuracy is important.
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I carry my Mosin-Nagant, that will put a man down!! Just kidding. I go in between with my carry, a .40 cal. Why? Cause it shoots good, I am accurate with it, plus, I just like it. I use my 9mm for competition shooting as it is easier to control the recoil when shooting at multiple targets. I also own .45s as they are just to damn cool.
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SSG Jerry Chlarson
Bolt Action .308 with 24" Fluted barrel and drop compensating scope is my EDC Randy!!!
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Forgot an important part of that ballistics gel test, I found the complete one - 10mm winner!
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As a test stand fast and face a .357, 9mm, .45 all of which I own or 10 mm that I don't own. A well placed round from any of these quickly becomes a one-way conversation. Center mass in the x ring and unless the person receiving round is on PCP or worse, it's game over. Follow up with a clean head shot and it becomes biologic. Gelatin is a good indicator though.
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Each shooting situation has it's own conclusions, and each has it's outcome. As a police officer, I've seen someone killed with just one shot from a 22LR, 9mm, 45APC, 12 gauge, speargun. Multi shots with a 45APC, 9mm, 12 gauge, 30 carbine, and 30/30.
I know of an officer that carried 196 rounds of 9mm, 120 rounds of 223 for his AR-15, 50 rounds of 12 gauge for his shotgun, 4 handcuffs, and 3 Alu flashlights everytime on duty. I nick name him, "The walking SWAT team". Lol
When it came down to it with a barricaded individual armed with a Shindawa bushwhacker, and no firearm. Mr. walking SWAT team, said he would take care of it, and got hit in the mouth with the bushwhacker, knocked out, and lost some front teeth. All it took was for me to draw my 357, point it at the individual, and he put his deadly Shindawa bushwhacker down and gave up.
So, with all that holy baloney just said, it's a true story, and it brings us back to the situation, depending on the circumstances, it creates the out come.
Also, as a bonus , a good Vietnam veteran friend of mine in a fire fight was shot 14 times with a AK-47. The doctor's said he was going to die, but didn't and recovered to serve as my team leader on the DMZ Korea in 1973, and I'm proud to say his name was Sgt. Woodard, and has all the scars to prove it.
I carried all kinds of handguns, and shot placement seems to me to benefit the shooter. And, as a SWAT officer, I always depended on and carried my Sig-226 9mm, why the 9mm round, because that was the round that the department authorized to use.
I'm not saying anyone is wrong and it's not right, I'm saying, "It's your life, take care of it".
I know of an officer that carried 196 rounds of 9mm, 120 rounds of 223 for his AR-15, 50 rounds of 12 gauge for his shotgun, 4 handcuffs, and 3 Alu flashlights everytime on duty. I nick name him, "The walking SWAT team". Lol
When it came down to it with a barricaded individual armed with a Shindawa bushwhacker, and no firearm. Mr. walking SWAT team, said he would take care of it, and got hit in the mouth with the bushwhacker, knocked out, and lost some front teeth. All it took was for me to draw my 357, point it at the individual, and he put his deadly Shindawa bushwhacker down and gave up.
So, with all that holy baloney just said, it's a true story, and it brings us back to the situation, depending on the circumstances, it creates the out come.
Also, as a bonus , a good Vietnam veteran friend of mine in a fire fight was shot 14 times with a AK-47. The doctor's said he was going to die, but didn't and recovered to serve as my team leader on the DMZ Korea in 1973, and I'm proud to say his name was Sgt. Woodard, and has all the scars to prove it.
I carried all kinds of handguns, and shot placement seems to me to benefit the shooter. And, as a SWAT officer, I always depended on and carried my Sig-226 9mm, why the 9mm round, because that was the round that the department authorized to use.
I'm not saying anyone is wrong and it's not right, I'm saying, "It's your life, take care of it".
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