Posted on Aug 7, 2014
Why is it that Military Posers all use the same story - Ranger, Seal, SF, etc.?
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Why is it that Military Posers all use the same story- Ranger, Seal, SF, etc. ? Why don't they try a more "believable" story- Cook, Supply, Mechanic, etc. ? My best guess is because the Ranger, Seal, SF etc story is more impressive & nobody except those with any connection to the military will question the word of a soldier especially a combat soldier. Anyone else got a better answer?
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In mho it is the fact that the Ranger, Seal, SF, Delta Force, and Marine Recon (and all the others) get all the cool stuff. I am refering to the uniform bling, the Trident, the Tabs, the Beret, etc... and because of the all the movies about them and their bad a$$ ways people want to make others think of them like that. When Top Gun came out there was a large number of people that started wearing flight gear and wings.
I actually ran into a pos that was trying to pass the ESWS as a carrier qualification wings. A submarine device for water ditch qual. This guy said he got all of it from the Army Navy store and that is what the clerk told him they were.
The biggest problem I see is that so much of this stuff is available from the surplus stores and online. The other problem is that the people selling the stuff have no scrupples and ar just out for the money.
I actually ran into a pos that was trying to pass the ESWS as a carrier qualification wings. A submarine device for water ditch qual. This guy said he got all of it from the Army Navy store and that is what the clerk told him they were.
The biggest problem I see is that so much of this stuff is available from the surplus stores and online. The other problem is that the people selling the stuff have no scrupples and ar just out for the money.
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SFC William Allen
I wore my beret to work one day just to show the guys what one looked like and how to wear it. They all got a good laugh and we took a lot of pictures of us all waering it...including the Boss. Turns out he called my old NG unit and asked about me there. he got an earload all about me. He mentioned it the next day and when I asked him who he talked to it was my old maint. PLT buddy he talked to. I never realized I left such an impression on people.
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My brother was Special Forces & the true warrior in our family. He has always been reticent about telling stories about those times and his 31 years as a fireman, except for the goofy events. We had not really talked about his experiences until he had a hip replacement surgery about 18 months ago and over a long afternoon in the hospital, we shared the most ever in our lives. Nor as he ever talked about people who are posers, probably because he does not care to talk about people who are assholes. My brother is my hero and a quiet one.
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Mike Martin
SP6 Ron W. - thank you, and I will do my best to pass on your best regards to all of your brothers in branches at the next family reunion
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I was a medic. I never left the States. My job was just as important as anyone's while working in a trauma center treating wounded and burned soldiers and Maribes from the Beirut bombing and Grenada invasion. There's nothing not to be proud of if you served.
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I guess I'm the only one that remembers Steven Segal's primary MOS was a cook. FYI that is where the Navy/Marines get the SEALs.
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1stLt Darrold Guinn
I don't know what the policy is today, but I'm pretty sure there were times when recon Marines went through SEAL training and were assigned to SEAL units.
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PO1 Neil Brennan
That's good. I hear they don't have BUD/S training anymore either. They just run you through "Dark Territory" now with a train load of psychos.
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Hell I am proud as hell if my service but most people wouldn't even recognize this retired vet. I get tired of the did you ever kill anyone. It's suck a stupid question. Can't stand civilians 90% of the time and the ones I do don't ask stupid questions. They appreciate my service and drive on that is it.
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The posers seem to love "bling" and "do-dads" thinking they look more heroic if their uniforms are covered with stuff. They pick the Army uniform because that service often has more badges, ribbons, and other accoutrements than the other services (Air Force may have more ribbons). It's not a hit on the Army, but just the way the services do things. Also stories in the public domain from Soldiers are more readily available than those of other services.
It would be more difficult to convincing act and sound like a Navy Submariner if you actually ran into a Navy person with any submarine knowledge or experience. One probably can't adequately describe landing and taking off from an aircraft carrier unless they have actually done it making Naval Aviation less susceptible of spoofing.
A lot of Air Force work is pretty mundane and seldom lends itself to heroic stories in the press. PJs do save lives and see combat. Special forces aircraft and helicopters fly some very challenging missions. Fighter pilots would have great air-to-air combat stories if there was a real opposition air force in Iraq or Afghanistan--there isn't. Air mobility pilots probably have a few good stories about airdrops and landings into challenging airfields. All of these require specialized technical knowledge to tell the story convincingly. Most posers wouldn't have that knowledge. Certainly a real airman could uncover a fake in a couple of minutes' conversation. Of course, the Air Force uniform is almost as plain as the Navy, so those interested in bling wouldn't be attracted to it.
It would be more difficult to convincing act and sound like a Navy Submariner if you actually ran into a Navy person with any submarine knowledge or experience. One probably can't adequately describe landing and taking off from an aircraft carrier unless they have actually done it making Naval Aviation less susceptible of spoofing.
A lot of Air Force work is pretty mundane and seldom lends itself to heroic stories in the press. PJs do save lives and see combat. Special forces aircraft and helicopters fly some very challenging missions. Fighter pilots would have great air-to-air combat stories if there was a real opposition air force in Iraq or Afghanistan--there isn't. Air mobility pilots probably have a few good stories about airdrops and landings into challenging airfields. All of these require specialized technical knowledge to tell the story convincingly. Most posers wouldn't have that knowledge. Certainly a real airman could uncover a fake in a couple of minutes' conversation. Of course, the Air Force uniform is almost as plain as the Navy, so those interested in bling wouldn't be attracted to it.
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PVT Raymond Lopez
I don’t care!! I still want my Good Conduct Medal!! I don’t care what certain distinguished senior officers both living and sadly now deceased had to say nothing was ever proven!!! It was all rhetoric and innuendo. Well I have cleaned toilets and burned shit in my time!!!
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PO1 Stephen McDermott
PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner - Hey, we did have VCR's by the '80's.. sure, they were BetaMax, but I think that was to prevent us from burning a flick from the local video store's adult section.
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PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner
Not us Stephen. Would have been nice and made movie night better! Kept eating the film! An ice cream machine that worked would have been nice too. Food sucked and I ate pb&j and sticky buns for 6 weeks every patrol.
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LT Richard Mondak
We called them "Training Films".
The Annual Rad Health and Safety Training included a video made by Nuke MMs while on a (summer) Med Cruise. Lots of examples of whole body Beta exposure (no place to carry the TLD). That went away in the 90s.
As for the original topic, I know a former shipmate who had SW, SS and AW pins and a $#!+ load of ribbons. We teased him about "buying them at the NEX", and he was once provokingly questioned about it by an officer not in our command, but his records proved that he earned them. Nice guy as well. Great pool parties at his house.
The Annual Rad Health and Safety Training included a video made by Nuke MMs while on a (summer) Med Cruise. Lots of examples of whole body Beta exposure (no place to carry the TLD). That went away in the 90s.
As for the original topic, I know a former shipmate who had SW, SS and AW pins and a $#!+ load of ribbons. We teased him about "buying them at the NEX", and he was once provokingly questioned about it by an officer not in our command, but his records proved that he earned them. Nice guy as well. Great pool parties at his house.
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I want one of these guys to tell me he or she cleaned a toilet. I would totally believe them. I cleaned out a conex box full of kerosene or propane (I reallydon't remember other than it could go boom) in 100+ degree heat. I am the bomb (no pun intended lol).
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I guess they have a feeling of inadequacy in their life and feel the need to embellish great deeds of heroism. For the most part I enjoyed my time in the Army, 1989-98. I started out as 16R and reclassified to 96B. Nothing fancy there, quit boring at times. Now and then I meet up some younger vets and sometimes they question me. I don't have any old uniforms left and I wouldn't wear them out in public if I had them. I don't remember lot of stuff, too many concussions and and getting hurt in training exercises. I've been asked how many people I've killed.. I reply with "Oh I've killed hundreds of pop-up and paper people." Get the deer in headlights on that..
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Because Hollywood glamourizes the shit out of elite units... If I was wanting to impress people (which I think the whole objectives of these idiots who pretend to be military is), I am not going to tell the people that I am trying to impress that I am some sort of support MOS... That's not impressive enough for them... they want to be the guy who has 200 confirmed kills and are considered bad-asses... The problem is, they don't want to put in the work that it takes to be an elite bad-ass... If the did, they would realize that it's not all glamorous like Hollywood makes it out to be.
The problem that they run into, is when they ACTUALLY meet a vet/service member. I can pick an active duty service member out of a crowd in an airport from 150 feet away... It's not about what we are wearing, it's how we carry ourselves. When I see one in uniform that seems out of place, I will generally ask them some questions that they could only answer if they were actually military. Questions like "What post are you headed to?", "What's your MOS?", "What unit are you in? Where's that?" etc...
Usually, the only ones who are wearing their uniform while traveling are fresh out of AIT. They are happy to answer your questions. They will also have folders with them carrying their orders. If you identify yourself as a veteran to them, they will generally have questions for you, because you have knowledge or experience... they NEVER try to one-up you. I helped out 4 soldiers heading from Atlanta to El Paso... I started talking to them, they asked me questions about Fort Bliss... I bought one of them dinner... it was nice. Not once did I tell them any war stories, or try to impress them with my bad-assery. A real veteran won't do that.
The problem that they run into, is when they ACTUALLY meet a vet/service member. I can pick an active duty service member out of a crowd in an airport from 150 feet away... It's not about what we are wearing, it's how we carry ourselves. When I see one in uniform that seems out of place, I will generally ask them some questions that they could only answer if they were actually military. Questions like "What post are you headed to?", "What's your MOS?", "What unit are you in? Where's that?" etc...
Usually, the only ones who are wearing their uniform while traveling are fresh out of AIT. They are happy to answer your questions. They will also have folders with them carrying their orders. If you identify yourself as a veteran to them, they will generally have questions for you, because you have knowledge or experience... they NEVER try to one-up you. I helped out 4 soldiers heading from Atlanta to El Paso... I started talking to them, they asked me questions about Fort Bliss... I bought one of them dinner... it was nice. Not once did I tell them any war stories, or try to impress them with my bad-assery. A real veteran won't do that.
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SGT (Join to see)
I have a love/hate relationship with Ft. Bliss. I was ADA with the C 2/55 and we retired our colors there. Then went to the HHB of the 11th Brigade at Bliss. B 2/55 had the distinction when I was there of shooting down a Jack Rabbit at White Sands! :-) It was an IHAWK battalion. They lost coding as the missile left the launcher and it bounced off several sand dunes before the coding kicked in and they were able to get a technical kill. But boy did we have fun with that one... "If it hopped, it died!" rather than "If it flies, it dies!"
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SPC Christopher Perrien
Had a buddy shoot a cow during a night gunnery exercise(M1A1's) at Hood during Desert Shield training, earning him and his tank the nickname "Cow-Killer". I was gunning on another tank and saw the hit though my TTS , was something to see.
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LT Richard Mondak
SPC Christopher Perrien -
What was really something to see and SMELL was a Navy Gunners Mate open up with a M-60 loaded with 4:1 tracer to live rounds on a dead and bloated cow at the end of the FamFire Range (small NAVFAC in the West Indies in the summer of '81).
What was really something to see and SMELL was a Navy Gunners Mate open up with a M-60 loaded with 4:1 tracer to live rounds on a dead and bloated cow at the end of the FamFire Range (small NAVFAC in the West Indies in the summer of '81).
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BULLSHIT THEY WOULD NOT BE A PIMPLE ON A MARINES ARMY NAVY AIR FORCE COAST GUARD COMBAT VET ASS.THIS CRAP PISS ME OFF
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
They tend to be people that have no life and accomplished nothing. They only live in their pretend world.. . Hmmm kind of sounds like Hollywood, ohhh never mid.
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PO1 Jb Estridge
What pee me off , when you tell the civilians , that a person is a phony , they don't believe you
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