Posted on Dec 11, 2019
Why is the boonie cap so demonized in the army?
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Seriously I wanna know. Mainly from you senior leadership and your mentality when it comes to this specific headgear, or even as to why it's frowned upon in the field when it's clearly authorized to be worn in the field.
Also if you are just going to bash me or make smart ass remarks because I'm asking this question, then don't even leave a comment. Thanks
Also if you are just going to bash me or make smart ass remarks because I'm asking this question, then don't even leave a comment. Thanks
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Sr NCOs fight things like boonie caps because they are busybodies and need something to do.
I am a bit of a contrarian (no surprise, for those who know me).
One AT, I went the other way and ordered that the boonie cap was part of the uniform of the day. The Guard people in the contonement area went nuts, trying to talk about there was a Guard regulation (don't care, we're USAR... and it wasn't true) or a post commander edict (there wasn't) and who authorized it (this guy, with more stripes than you high-speed).
All of the kerfuffle was a lot of fun, frankly. And my troops loved it, especially when it was time for chow. "Refer all questions to the 1SG" was the order of the day, and very few would have the balls to roll up and question me.
Marys.
I am a bit of a contrarian (no surprise, for those who know me).
One AT, I went the other way and ordered that the boonie cap was part of the uniform of the day. The Guard people in the contonement area went nuts, trying to talk about there was a Guard regulation (don't care, we're USAR... and it wasn't true) or a post commander edict (there wasn't) and who authorized it (this guy, with more stripes than you high-speed).
All of the kerfuffle was a lot of fun, frankly. And my troops loved it, especially when it was time for chow. "Refer all questions to the 1SG" was the order of the day, and very few would have the balls to roll up and question me.
Marys.
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MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) - Nonsense level: 11.
You know, last I checked ape-shit CSM didn't have authority to issue article 15s, he'd have to have his commander onbpard. I feel like MAYBE there are better things for him to do.
You know, last I checked ape-shit CSM didn't have authority to issue article 15s, he'd have to have his commander onbpard. I feel like MAYBE there are better things for him to do.
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1SG (Join to see) - In some instances, such as USASMA, E9's have command authority under 600-20. I don't know all of those circumstances I retired in 2012.
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SFC Pop Pop
Sounds like Anonymous up there wanted to get into a pissing contest with the CSM, won, and it cost one of their soldiers some UCMJ. Is the CSM wrong? 100%. Is he then going to make hell for every one of Anon's troops? 110%. Lesson: sometimes just take your lumps so your juniors don't become targets.
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LCpl Michael Cappello that is among the best compliments I have ever received. Thank you Lcpl, you made my day
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The best answer is that wearing it makes too much sense. The actual answer is that soldiers do not wear it correctly. They want to shape and form it to look like some Australian sergeants major. So instead of constantly correcting soldiers, leaders just decided to not even let anyone wear them. Pretty sad but that's the truth.
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PV2 Tommy Smith
"While RANGERS may Lead the Way, EVERYBODY gets a BERET."
Man LCpl you said a mouthful with that one. I always thought that it was wrong to let everyone ware a beret other than the ones who earned it. Now you can't tell who is who.
Man LCpl you said a mouthful with that one. I always thought that it was wrong to let everyone ware a beret other than the ones who earned it. Now you can't tell who is who.
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SPC Keith Lindsey
LCpl Michael Cappello - I completely agree with your comment about the berets in the U.S. Army. In my humble, but most accurate opinion, the Army should go back to C-caps for dress greens (though I think that a hard cap would be much better!) or the hard cap for dress blues. Berets were meant for combat specialties and should return to that.
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SGT David Schrader
I had a CO when I was in the gulf that must have thought he was Crocodile Dundee. It almost looked like he starched his boonie cap to keep its shape.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
With that logic, they should never have authorized the beret. They had years of trendiness for that one. Shaped, shaved, stitched, Flash somewhere between the ear and the middle of the forehead. Flap supposed to be between the top and bottom of the ear but is either so short it doesn't reach the brim, or all the way down to the shoulder. Sometimes even over the eye like a pirate's eye patch.
The things people do, to their PC's. Fold the brim or round it. Can't forget the "Ranger Roll".
There's only so many things you can do with the Boonie cap. String tucked or under the chin, or in the cap, but not over the top or behind the head (or did that one change). Brim down. Shaping unauthorized. As my first sergeant said, "It aint a Stetson."
I found it to be a much more functional and professional looking cover than the other options. My company did the right thing when I went to Saudi Arabia. Don't issue the PC and they can't make you wear it.
The things people do, to their PC's. Fold the brim or round it. Can't forget the "Ranger Roll".
There's only so many things you can do with the Boonie cap. String tucked or under the chin, or in the cap, but not over the top or behind the head (or did that one change). Brim down. Shaping unauthorized. As my first sergeant said, "It aint a Stetson."
I found it to be a much more functional and professional looking cover than the other options. My company did the right thing when I went to Saudi Arabia. Don't issue the PC and they can't make you wear it.
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I've worn my boonie cap on three deployments just to piss off SGMs, CSMs and O-6s. Had one GO tell me he wished his CSM would let him wear his. The hat isn't a spec-ops thing designed to "break up the human form" (though it does that well), it's a Sun hat, period. It was designed to keep the sun of your face, ears and neck. Several years ago (before OIF/OEF) I took some of my engineers to do a humanitarian project in a southern latitude area and told my supply sergeant to order us some, had to explain to him they were authorized because the commander (me) said so and the CTA allowed it. Had a run in with some touring pouge of a SGM about it while we we there - he failed to notice the "hard hat required" sign on the construction site when he came to "educate me" on the "error of my ways". I told him to get lost (while wearing a full brim construction helmet). After he got back to the states an told on me, I got a phone call from the engineer group commander wanting to know how I'd ordered them because he wanted all of our engineers to have them (both boonies and the full brim hard hats)
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Sun hat, huh? That makes sense. I always thought it was to keep the monkey spunk and spiders from getting under your collar (which we always kept buttoned)...but that was just Panama.
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SP6 Richard Kellar
They were awesome in the Vietnam typhoon season. Better than using a poncho hood and you could see too shoot without that poncho getting in the way. My 1st SGT thought you might need some extra training if you didn't wear a boonie hat..
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I wore mine in Iraq and A-Stan, I wore initially it because it kept the sun off my neck and it was an issue piece of the uniform, I caught the occasional stink eye from a CSM or other SRNCO but in the end I also wore it to piss off the few dillwads that lacked critical thinking skills.
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SFC Mike Thompson
I like that..... As I was moving around in the service, I've notice that most official with bar's on would rather acknowledge without a solute...
I like that..... As I was moving around in the service, I've notice that most official with bar's on would rather acknowledge without a solute...
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I keep seeing the lame answer "because some don't wear it correctly". That smacks of lazy leadership.
When I was a PSG, I targeted individuals specifically for their "sins" as well as their achievements. I am often amazed at the weak leadership that goes in for the old mass punishment schtick. If you have someone that repeatedly wears it incorrectly, make that soldier give a class on proper wear of the boonie and counsel. If the soldier continues, come up with some next level, creative form of corrective action and counseling. If the behavior continues, recommend UCMJ/Art 15. Counsel the soldier along the way.
Instead, the lazy, thoughtless leader decrees prohibition and that all should suffer because of a few doltish irreconcilables.
When I was a PSG, I targeted individuals specifically for their "sins" as well as their achievements. I am often amazed at the weak leadership that goes in for the old mass punishment schtick. If you have someone that repeatedly wears it incorrectly, make that soldier give a class on proper wear of the boonie and counsel. If the soldier continues, come up with some next level, creative form of corrective action and counseling. If the behavior continues, recommend UCMJ/Art 15. Counsel the soldier along the way.
Instead, the lazy, thoughtless leader decrees prohibition and that all should suffer because of a few doltish irreconcilables.
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CPL Robert Ray
Seems that somewhere in my way-back memory machine that this was the correct answer back in PLDC... or maybe I’m just confused in my addled state...
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"Correctly," Bull Shit; they are in the fucking Boonies, who gives a rats ass how they wear it? Except some pencil-pushing, snot-nosed, Socialist, Adam Schiff look-a-like!
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SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy
PO2 Doc Blake - See my Post above DOC. The Senior Chief wears his Boonie as he damn well pleases and so do his Corpsmen. We are not in a fashion show we are there to save lives and protect our asses as much as we can given the duty.
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SGT Ruben Lozada
Patrick Price. Good afternoon. Me too. And I have been stepping on grass everybody's grass since 2017. :->
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Good question. On a side note we had an E-7 that got a temporary profile to wear one after getting skin cancer on his head and neck That later turned into a permanent profile his last 2 years before he retired. He greatly enjoyed the hate and discontent he spread showing his profile every time someone called him outfit it
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1SG Jason Almond
Lol, I certainly bet he did.
That’s even more rare than the shaving / beard profile. I used to have intel types who were authorized (Actually compulsed in some situations) beards. As a 1SG, I almost got wrote up for rolling my eyes at the FOB CSM when I said, “how many times do I have to go over this?? If it’s not 5 o’clock shadow—just maybe it’s authorized?!? He didn’t grow that this morning!!”
That’s even more rare than the shaving / beard profile. I used to have intel types who were authorized (Actually compulsed in some situations) beards. As a 1SG, I almost got wrote up for rolling my eyes at the FOB CSM when I said, “how many times do I have to go over this?? If it’s not 5 o’clock shadow—just maybe it’s authorized?!? He didn’t grow that this morning!!”
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The boonie cap absolutely is the right tool for the job when forward-deployed or in the field. If they don't want military personnel to wear it, then it shouldn't be issued in the first place. When it is 125 degrees F outside and the sun-hot wind are baking-burning your head, it is ridiculous to tell military personnel not to wear this critical piece of headgear, especially when it is issued specifically for that purpose. Nobody cares what it looks like under those conditions - only functionality and protection matters to prevent unnecessary heat injuries. In fact, they should bring back DCUs for desert mobilizations. It is the perfect uniform for that environment, not all these other uniforms attempted since then.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
Agreed, or at least a digital equivalent.
The ACU supposedly had a desert version. I never saw it issued. There were supposed to be three color schemes. The only one I ever saw issued was the version that never blended with anything, except the Ft Bliss gravel parking lots.
The designed brown boots were never issued. The only part of the uniform design, I liked.
The ACU supposedly had a desert version. I never saw it issued. There were supposed to be three color schemes. The only one I ever saw issued was the version that never blended with anything, except the Ft Bliss gravel parking lots.
The designed brown boots were never issued. The only part of the uniform design, I liked.
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Suspended Profile
DARE 'em to wear a Steel Pot in those conditions...
SFC Jeffrey Port
I cut the top out of my Bush cover and also the back out of my utility uniform top, got called into the BN Cmdr office for it. Turned out he want his like that too! lol
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the same reason some CSM makes a policy to wear a freaking reflective belt over your body armor.....
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
You should have added "...in a tactical enviroment in a hostile fire/combat area."
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SGT Ruben Lozada
Good afternoon LTC (Join to see). Excellent response. Facts. Very accurate. I fully concur. That pt belt holds tremendous powers. LOL
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If you're complaining about not wearing the boobie cap count yourself luck you werent in before the late 00's. You were not allowed any sniveling gear until it was actually 32 degrees, and when you were allowed snivel gear everyone wore the exact same piece of snivel gear because it was the uniform put out by the 1SG or CSM.
As for the bonnie cap, I think it's just something people forget about in the bottom of their b bag. I do get super tired of correcting people that dont wear it properly. You're not crocodile dundee or a bonnie lass, you put the string in the god damn hat.
As for the bonnie cap, I think it's just something people forget about in the bottom of their b bag. I do get super tired of correcting people that dont wear it properly. You're not crocodile dundee or a bonnie lass, you put the string in the god damn hat.
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SSG Timothy Lee - IIRC, the string can be tucked into the hat, worn under the chin in windy conditions (or when conducting maintenance on an active flightline), or snugged up on the back of the head. I don't recall if it is unit SOP driven or 670-1 driven. I usually have mine at the back of my head for added security for the hat. Only got called out on it once, and the individual walked away when I asked them to show me in the reg or policy letter where it stated that I was to wear the hat IAW their directive (we were the same rank).
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
SSG (Join to see) - Though I prefered 'back of the head', 670-1 says/said under the chin or tucked. Must have been a unit SOP.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen - From DA PAM 670-1- "d. Sun (boonie) hat. The sun hat is an OCIE item authorized for wear with the combat uniform in field environments when the advanced combat helmet is not worn, on work details, or in other environments where wearing the patrol cap is impractical, as determined by the commander. Personnel wear the sun hat straight on the head so that the web band creates a straight line around the head, parallel to the ground. The sun hat will fit comfortably around the largest part of the head without distortion or excessive gaps. The sun hat is worn so that no hair is visible on the forehead beneath the hat. The drawstring on the sun hat can be worn under the chin, around the back of the head and neck, or tucked inside. The drawstring will not be worn over the top of the sun hat. The sun hat will not be worn rolled, formed, shaped, blocked, or with an upturned brim. Subdued pin-on or sew-on grade insignia, or branch insignia for chaplains, is worn centered on the front of the headgear left to right and top to bottom."
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