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Islam has been a taboo subject in many countries around the world. Its very discussion causes to many become squeamish and uncomfortable. Many times this is due to the ambiguity of what Islam is in the western world. Too many people have no idea what Islam is because they haven't taken the time to read their sacred immutable texts. I am curious how many of our own really know much about it.
-Sorry I was hoping the Survey would be a yes or no-
This can spawn some pretty hefty debate. Having read the sacred texts will be invaluable as a foundation to discuss and add value to the thread, but not necessary. I hope we can keep this from becoming ad hominem, because we ALL signed up as brothers and sisters under the same flag, regardless of what we call God.
-Sorry I was hoping the Survey would be a yes or no-
This can spawn some pretty hefty debate. Having read the sacred texts will be invaluable as a foundation to discuss and add value to the thread, but not necessary. I hope we can keep this from becoming ad hominem, because we ALL signed up as brothers and sisters under the same flag, regardless of what we call God.
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I have read and researched. My personal opinion and conclusion is that our way of life and the Islamic way of life are not compatible. Not if you truly read and understand it.
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Yeah, because we are Dar-Al-Harb and aren't even human according to their texts.
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SPC David S.
I prefer Dar al-Kuf - Realm of the Heathens. However you fail to mention Dar al-'Ahd and or Dar al-Amn. Most Middle East countries are - Dar al-Islam and are ruled by a Muslim government. However using Western history as a guide in how we manged to break away from the monarchies of our past an Islamic democracy may well be a viable regime in the Middle East at some point. However the outlook for such a state appears bleak in the current environment. If we look at Muslim-majority societies themselves they seem to be holding on to old ways which has prevented any forward movement. You step outside the Middle East Malaysia headed in the right direction.
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SPC David S. - Interesting. Is it because of the secularism of the way they are acting in Malaysia?
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SPC David S.
For one Malaysia negotiated with Britain for their independence - that's right no war. As well sound economic growth - good GDP, a stable political environment - no coups, an English speaking country with decent natural resources among others things ensures a steady flow of investors as well in the middle of shipping lanes - helps foster diversity and tolerance. However here's the kicker - while the constitution grants freedom of religion and makes Malaysia an officially secular state, the Malaysian government has strict policies against other Islamic sects, including a ban on Shia Islam. While not fully there it is removing some forms of its religion from politics in this manner. The next hard step will be to remove the Sunni sect and that might never happen.
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Islam is a very interesting religion/political system. It means, submission to the one true god of the Kaaba. At it's core is Islam's perfect man. Muhammad.
After studying Islam since 1983, I find the true believers are simply following the second half of Muhammad's life. What did Muhammad do?
Once you understand Muhammad and his behaviour, you can understand why Islam causes chaos everywhere it goes.
It plays it's role well in the destruction of culture. See Europe and Deerborn, ME.
M. Morris RVT
After studying Islam since 1983, I find the true believers are simply following the second half of Muhammad's life. What did Muhammad do?
Once you understand Muhammad and his behaviour, you can understand why Islam causes chaos everywhere it goes.
It plays it's role well in the destruction of culture. See Europe and Deerborn, ME.
M. Morris RVT
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Abrogation is why only the second part, the Yathrib aka Medina quran, is of any meaning and is of great concern.
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The West is ignorant of Islam for many reasons.
-Immigrants to North America for most of the last 400 years came from Europe and were primarily Christians
-Some slaves brought into North America were Muslims, but lost that religion as their masters forced them to accept Christianity
-US was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and a great majority of our Citizens considered themselves Christian until the late 20th Century
-Europeans probably have a greater awareness of Islam because of proximity to majority-Muslim countries.
-In the US, the study of Islam historically is limited to Universities and a few other people who become interested or those who choose to convert
Answers to your questions:
Read the Quran--No. Only excepts.
Read the Hadith--No.
Rule of abrogation--No
Islam peaceful--No
Taught in public schools--No. If Christianity is banned, then all other religions should be banned. This is not to say that recognition of Religions as a part of history should not be taught; religions influence history, politics, art, music, language, theater, and many other aspects of life. Understanding those influences through understanding the religion is desirable.
As a practicing Christian, I believe Islam is a false religion. It's followers do not worship the true God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus. They do not accept Jesus as God and his sacrifice on the cross as sufficient for the forgiveness of sins. Nor do they accept his resurrection and victory over death. Islam is a "do" religion. That is, if the follower does certain things it will please Allah and credit the Muslim in the after-life.
Americans are often uncomfortable with Islam because it mixes religion and government. It has kept its own set of laws and tries to enforce them where ever Muslims live. Jews and Christians separated religion and government in many countries starting in the 18th Century (US Revolution, French Revolution, British Common Law). The power of the Church and Synagogue in people's lives remains in the moral arena. Islam hasn't made this change yet. Secular Muslim-majority countries like historical Turkey did exist. They followed the Western model of separation of religion and government to some degree. They seem to be disappearing.
Many of the Muslim laws and customs are counter to the US Constitution. I don't understand how a true Muslim can take the US Oath of Enlistment/Office and swear to defend the Consitiution. To do so is counter to the teachings of his or her faith. Of course, you've got the "it's okay to lie to the infidel" factor to consider.
-Immigrants to North America for most of the last 400 years came from Europe and were primarily Christians
-Some slaves brought into North America were Muslims, but lost that religion as their masters forced them to accept Christianity
-US was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and a great majority of our Citizens considered themselves Christian until the late 20th Century
-Europeans probably have a greater awareness of Islam because of proximity to majority-Muslim countries.
-In the US, the study of Islam historically is limited to Universities and a few other people who become interested or those who choose to convert
Answers to your questions:
Read the Quran--No. Only excepts.
Read the Hadith--No.
Rule of abrogation--No
Islam peaceful--No
Taught in public schools--No. If Christianity is banned, then all other religions should be banned. This is not to say that recognition of Religions as a part of history should not be taught; religions influence history, politics, art, music, language, theater, and many other aspects of life. Understanding those influences through understanding the religion is desirable.
As a practicing Christian, I believe Islam is a false religion. It's followers do not worship the true God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus. They do not accept Jesus as God and his sacrifice on the cross as sufficient for the forgiveness of sins. Nor do they accept his resurrection and victory over death. Islam is a "do" religion. That is, if the follower does certain things it will please Allah and credit the Muslim in the after-life.
Americans are often uncomfortable with Islam because it mixes religion and government. It has kept its own set of laws and tries to enforce them where ever Muslims live. Jews and Christians separated religion and government in many countries starting in the 18th Century (US Revolution, French Revolution, British Common Law). The power of the Church and Synagogue in people's lives remains in the moral arena. Islam hasn't made this change yet. Secular Muslim-majority countries like historical Turkey did exist. They followed the Western model of separation of religion and government to some degree. They seem to be disappearing.
Many of the Muslim laws and customs are counter to the US Constitution. I don't understand how a true Muslim can take the US Oath of Enlistment/Office and swear to defend the Consitiution. To do so is counter to the teachings of his or her faith. Of course, you've got the "it's okay to lie to the infidel" factor to consider.
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