Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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do you have a clearance if so that could hold up things , and then there is a matter of pay and they have budget issues they hold up on that as well only so many slots
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SSG Lonny Self
was regular army got forced out in 92 went to the gard and found getting promoted in the gard is a real tasks ,
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In past, there was no delay for Reserve Officers. This must be a NG issue (or new within the last 10+ years).
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CW3 (Join to see)
I think for many of us, the 10+ years is an adequate timeline for our scrolls to make it through the FedRec process.
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I am tracking from historical data on this post, that 3-17 and 7-17 scrolls published over 3 months ago. No other scrolls have published in that time that are being tracked on this thread. So my question is, did they wipe their brows, slaps some high fives and take the rest of the fiscal year off.
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1LT (Join to see)
Just checked the G1 Gateway. There is movement...it is now "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; P08-17; 183 Days in DoD Approval cycle."
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CW3 (Join to see)
1LT (Join to see) - Indeed, this should be interesting because U06-17 has been in that same office for over 6-freaking weeks!!!!! As such, I would like to know if P08-17 leaps past our scroll. Hell, at this point, the scrolls ending in -18, -19, and -infinity will leap past U6-17.
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Sir, I think the process would move faster if promotions were tied to the various levels of approval to their advancements.
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I am in L03-17 the clock stopped ticking at 140 days and says awaiting Sec Def. Does anyone else have this issue or has it not been updated and anyone from L03-17 receive a published FedRec?
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1LT (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - Today it is at 160 Days, I am at 268 Days since my State Order. I just left our State Rep who submits packets to NGB. According to DPRO it was kicked back by SecDef on the 28th of AUG and will have to be submitted once the issue which was caught is checked estimated 2 more months. This kind of reminds me of punishment of the masses for the mistakes of the few but that is just me I guess. Since Compo 1 and 2 do not have to go through this process I ask myself why are we not bringing our promotion processes in line with that of COMPO 1/2 so that COMPO 3 is not scrutinized and put through this process. I know the back pay is a blessing for me and I cant imagine what agony will exist when I am waiting on CPT and further. I would probably be making waves if I was in your shoes Chief. All and all, I don't agree with this process one bit and never want to hear another individual tell me " Well, it is what it is sir. At least you get back pay." There are devastating 3rd and 4rth order effects that this process has on all Officers at all ranks. I've been mentored by enough Warrants to know that, and after 12 years of service come next month I can say this isn't right. I could go on but I think I am going to stop for now, less I get diagnosed for high blood pressure and hypertension at my next PHA.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - Now let's see how long it takes to get through the last couple offices when there is also U06-17 sitting as a backlog.
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Anyone know the status of scroll U06-17? I am currently tracking it on G1 portal at "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; U06-17; 202 Days in DoD Approval cycle. State orders published since Dec 2016.
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Yes Sir, and when I talked to Renea she had no info. She said wants it starts the scroll she can no longer track it and that is taken 6-9 months once it shows up as a scroll; which U06-17 didn't show up until 2Mar17. So maybe by fall 2018.....
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CPT (Join to see)
I got my state orders 27 June, and it showed up with a scroll two weeks later. Then September 1 I get an update that it is at 32 days and at JAG. I didn't expect to be a day 1 for another couple months so they have made a huge leap forward it terms of efficiency since they reduced the number of personnel on a scroll.
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Either G1 site is down or my laptop is disagreeing with government sites (again). Does anyone have ability to see current status of P09-17? Thanks!
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MAJ (Join to see) - I'm 08-17, I have not heard anything. My unit won't request an update, I'm too scared to email anyone at NGB...so I just wait in misery.
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CW4(P) (Join to see)
I could be wrong, but I don't think a scroll has been approved since August 2017...
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1LT (Join to see)
Talking to Ms. Marshall the FEDREC section chief, of course she did not give a timeline or any valuable information of when P08-17 would be signed but she did confirm that the scroll was at OSD and pending signature....Just hoping it is signed before I redeploy, smh. Would hate to go an entire deployment waiting on a promotion.
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1LT (Join to see)
I am showing that P08-17 finally published in my G1 portal screen. Can anyone confirm?
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I have a question for you, did you receive your commission through your state or were you federally commissioned through ROTC or OCS at Fort Benning be. I believe if you are state Commissioned there's some extra steps that may be required for federal recognition. Since all reservists receive federal commissions we do not go through a recognition process.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, that is why its easier for officers to move between active, reserves, and NG. You may have heard of "state orders" being cut for officer promotions. This is just the initial process before NGB starts the FEDREC.
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Update on L02-17, Day 209, now says "Awaiting selection for publication of order; L02-17"
Sounds like this could either be a quick step, or an indefinite one.
Sounds like this could either be a quick step, or an indefinite one.
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Unfortunately having to go they many wickets many systems don't talk to each other so they have to 'hand jam' data where there will be errors etc.
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ARNG Officers and Warrants used to only go as far as NGB for FEDREC. There was a special board and process. In 2014 or thereabouts that changed we now go through the same wickets at the Pentagon that our Active Duty and Reserve Component brethren do, which tripled the typical wait time, since we're all in the same queue now. It took me 8 months after getting my State order to get FEDREC'd. This is the new reality, so prepare and submit your future packets as soon as possible!
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The problem is that active and army reserve do not have to go through a state body. We do. And that state body will not promote you until you are at the date when you are eligible. So instead of you getting your stuff to fedrec months in advance to make sure your promotion isn't delayed, you have to wait for your state. Its incredibly short sighted that anyone thought this was a good idea.
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Spot on LT: concur! Title 10 and Title 32 personnel have radically different missions in their assigned units; why should we be shoe-horned into the same processes? It doesn't make any sense.
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In NYS our OPM allows WO's (I'm a prior CW2) to get state boarded before their eligibility so they can pull the trigger on FedRec the day they are promotable. Regular O's on the other hand have to wait. It took me months to get to the state promo board.... And I concur with what Mr. Michel said. Back in 2012 it took me less than 4 months from state orders until FedRec... Now, I am Scroll P04-18 Day #0... what's the under/over? haha
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Just spoke to CW3 Poppy about L02-17, and this is the response I got:
"This scroll is at OSD (SEC DEF) awaiting approval as of the status report dated 24 Jul 17. Request that you go through your State OPM to get status updates. We only get them once a month and we push them to the OPMs via MilSuite. Due to the number of inquiries on all the scrolls from individuals, we can no longer keep answering individuals. It is starting to affect our abilities to process scrolls."
So I guess we should all stop emailing people at NGB.
L02-17, day 196, OSD. Guess we'll be breaking 200 days on the tracker.
"This scroll is at OSD (SEC DEF) awaiting approval as of the status report dated 24 Jul 17. Request that you go through your State OPM to get status updates. We only get them once a month and we push them to the OPMs via MilSuite. Due to the number of inquiries on all the scrolls from individuals, we can no longer keep answering individuals. It is starting to affect our abilities to process scrolls."
So I guess we should all stop emailing people at NGB.
L02-17, day 196, OSD. Guess we'll be breaking 200 days on the tracker.
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Update on L02-17: Awaiting Off of SEC DEF Approval, day 176 on the tracker. finally moved after more than 100 days.
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Contact CW3 Poppy today for an update on P03-17:
"As of Monday, this scroll was at OSD - Office of Secretary of Defense. This is the approval level. Hopefully within the next 30-45 days, we will receive the approved/signed copy so we can publish orders."
"As of Monday, this scroll was at OSD - Office of Secretary of Defense. This is the approval level. Hopefully within the next 30-45 days, we will receive the approved/signed copy so we can publish orders."
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CPT (Join to see)
I was happy to see that as well. It's kind of sad that we get so excited to see a change on a scroll that should have NEVER taken this long. I consider us the P03-17 Band of Brothers/Sisters....lol. I truly hope it doesn't take another month to publish.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Historically the previous scrolls have sat from 30-50 days prior to publication @ SECDEF......so we might have only a couple of months left to wait!!
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Who wants to do an over/under on whether P03-17 makes it to 365 on the fed rec counter?
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MAJ (Join to see) Where are you seeing this? G1 Website is still showing "Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval".
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - I emailed SFC Palmer on Monday and she responded to my email today with the following: "Orders for P03-17 were published today. Orders should be in iPERMS within the next 48 hours."
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