Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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06-18 published! I think we were at around 190 days, which makes me very grateful. I really feel for all you guys who were 300+ while working positions of higher grade.
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LTC (Join to see) Sir, mine showed packet approved on 7/27, and documents were in iPerms on 7/30 with a date of rank of 7/18.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - Thanks - Do you need to update your rank on Rally Point or did it take so long you are already promotable for the next rank. :)
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LTC (Join to see) Well, I wasn’t sure if it was tacky or not to change it on here before actually being pinned. But yes, dang near promotable again haha!
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UPDATE: U13-17 has published effective 22MAY18. DOR is 8MAY18.........FINALLY!
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Congrats Roger!
Looks like OSD is having a signing party!
ps.... that CW4 looks good! :-)
Looks like OSD is having a signing party!
ps.... that CW4 looks good! :-)
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CW5 (Join to see) - Yep-P01-18 posted today too...little frustrated to be in the batch of scrolls that got behind but good to see movement. Congrats on Cw4!!!
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Congrats to everyone on P10-17, and good luck to all who are still awaiting your orders! Here's a final overview of the offices/days for P10-17, and hoping that these types of delays are not experienced by any of us again in the future. I am looking forward to continuing to work together with you all to advocate for ourselves and continue to improve the process!
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Congratulations CPT! Thanks for the update, I’m hoping my scroll is at the SECDEF for only eight days as well.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It was meant more as a "tongue -in-cheek" referencing the (P) by everyones rank on RP who is awaiting FEDREC....it's nice to see those go away and see scrolls get published
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, you are right. Thats not what I was 'told' but it IS what AR 623-3 says. There is also an NGB PPOM 14-017 which states the same, serving in a next higher rank position, having State promo orders and scroll in "Accepted/Approved for Scrolling" status.
That PPOM does also state that it is for OERs only, and the (P) is not authorized for use on a signature block. That is from NGR 600-100, which it doesnt look like has been updated since 1994.
AR 25-50 also prohibits the practice, "except where it enhances the image of the Army". Example given was an LTC serving in a COL spot, signing correspondence requiring a COL signature. Here I am thinking of an "O-6 memo" for mobilization, etc.
I know this was all tongue in cheek, but with all these scrolls being signed, there's nothing else to talk about!
That PPOM does also state that it is for OERs only, and the (P) is not authorized for use on a signature block. That is from NGR 600-100, which it doesnt look like has been updated since 1994.
AR 25-50 also prohibits the practice, "except where it enhances the image of the Army". Example given was an LTC serving in a COL spot, signing correspondence requiring a COL signature. Here I am thinking of an "O-6 memo" for mobilization, etc.
I know this was all tongue in cheek, but with all these scrolls being signed, there's nothing else to talk about!
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CW5 (Join to see) - You got that right, brother. I learn a great deal from the posts on this site and as long as we’re learning from our shared experience, that is all that matters.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I am having an internal battle of happiness for P05-18's well-deserved progress, and very green enviousness...it's not very pretty. ;) I'm telling myself that now that so many scrolls are at OSD, surely they'll prioritize P10, 11, and 12-17....right???
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan - Thank you, sir! The problem is that we all deserve it, so my envy is misplaced. :) Hopefully all of the FY 17 scrolls make it through soon, and the faster trend continues to pick up pace! P15-17 has certainly been waiting for a while as well...
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#FEDREC U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren questioned Secretary of the Army Mark T. Esper during a Senate Armed Services Committe hearing, the delays of National ...
Wow I didnt see this person being our hero. But she just stood up for us.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVWA3oymymI&t=5s
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CPT (Join to see) WOW!! Thanks for posting this! I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
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Same here. I hope that is done not loose traction. I have been in a O4 slot since DEC 16 and while it hasn't been terrible, it helps to be in the correct grade for the position. Back pay would be nice but are unlikely so Ill hope for recovery of some TIG.
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I've been in my O4 slot since July 15, State Promotion date 13 April 2016. I'm ready for this to wrap up.
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This is what I was sent as of 24 January 2018. Obviously doesn't tell the days, but there are at least two over 300 (including D08-17 at 310 and P08-17 very close).
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This is great. Thank you for posting this info Chief. A lot of us on P01-18 through P06-18 and newer have been sitting at day 0 since our scroll was created in September/October without any update.
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Thanks for the update, I was getting a little discouraged sitting at day "0" for so long. At least I know my packet has moved a little! 05-18 by the way.
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I just received an email from the Command Chief WO of our state. He sent an email from our state Chief of Staff stating that there is grounds for ABCMR, which would correct your DOR.
The link to the ABCMR is as follows.
http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-app.html
The recommendation that was made is to submit the request for change back to the average days it should have taken you to get promoted.
Here is a link to the document that he sent that outlines the process and the average number of days it should take for the promotion to become effective.
Long story short WO's and 1LT's should be around 130 days total.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Of2lGtCoOEkwppNNSkRYSzheeYkJlCAI
***EDIT****
Adding the email from the Aide de Camp vice chief of staff DA with associated regs on the fedrec process.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzEG9rjtcCbNY3pUTDdMeklVWXU1WkVvMkdKdVI2OVpyMUtV
The link to the ABCMR is as follows.
http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-app.html
The recommendation that was made is to submit the request for change back to the average days it should have taken you to get promoted.
Here is a link to the document that he sent that outlines the process and the average number of days it should take for the promotion to become effective.
Long story short WO's and 1LT's should be around 130 days total.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Of2lGtCoOEkwppNNSkRYSzheeYkJlCAI
***EDIT****
Adding the email from the Aide de Camp vice chief of staff DA with associated regs on the fedrec process.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzEG9rjtcCbNY3pUTDdMeklVWXU1WkVvMkdKdVI2OVpyMUtV
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I've not heard of anyone doing it yet. My guess is it will get just as lost as our FEDREC packets.
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I used the process to backdate my MAJ date of rank, and it was relatively painless. The only difference is that my promotion was delayed due to board results being thrown out and the process needing to be restarted. Which ended up pushing my original DOR past my max time in grade as a CPT.
Those of us in the UVP/FedRec process are for the most part are being promoted "early" and not at max time in grade. So I'm not sure how we demonstrate "harm" to the board and ask for relief.
Those of us in the UVP/FedRec process are for the most part are being promoted "early" and not at max time in grade. So I'm not sure how we demonstrate "harm" to the board and ask for relief.
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COL (Join to see) - would the harm be that it throws the timeline off on your entire career? I've been 1LT for 3 years, 8 months. Been commissioned for 5 years 10 months. I got promoted to CPT at the state level in June 2017, and as of Feb 9 2018 I'm still in fedrec purgatory. I turn 40 this year, and due to this fedrec delay (and the anticipated next one) there's pretty much no way I'm gonna make Maj before I retire. That directly affects what I get in retirement, and I'd call that negative impact harm. Oh, not to mention that I'm almost a year behind most of my peers I went to IBOLC with, thanks to fedrec purgatory.
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Hello all,
I apologize for being off the grid since my last post, which was exactly 30-days ago. Recently, I took a break from checking the ARNG G1 site and instead took to follow the well-known aphorism that 'a watched pot never boils'. Well, that, too, did not work because I checked the G1 site today and there is our scroll, growing mold from the coffee stains and sitting at the JAG. To use the analogy above, in this instance not only is the pot no longer boiling, but there is no water in there; it evaporated. In fact, the owner of the pot moved out of the house, which has since been torn down to make way for an IMAX theater and an 8-lane freeway with HOV lanes. All of these were constructed and opened in the time span of this FedRec process.
I apologize for being off the grid since my last post, which was exactly 30-days ago. Recently, I took a break from checking the ARNG G1 site and instead took to follow the well-known aphorism that 'a watched pot never boils'. Well, that, too, did not work because I checked the G1 site today and there is our scroll, growing mold from the coffee stains and sitting at the JAG. To use the analogy above, in this instance not only is the pot no longer boiling, but there is no water in there; it evaporated. In fact, the owner of the pot moved out of the house, which has since been torn down to make way for an IMAX theater and an 8-lane freeway with HOV lanes. All of these were constructed and opened in the time span of this FedRec process.
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As of 31 JUL 2020
L02-20 - Adverse Actions
L03-20 - Adverse Actions
PL18-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL19-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL20-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL21-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL22-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL05-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL06-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL07-20 - Adverse Actions
U(d)11-20 - Office of the SecDef
U(d)18-20 - Adverse Actions
U12-20 - Office of the SecDef
U13-20 - Office of the SecDef
U14-20 - Office of the SecArmy
U15-20 - Adverse Actions
U16-20 - Adverse Actions
U17-20 - Adverse Actions
U19-20 - Adverse Actions
L02-20 - Adverse Actions
L03-20 - Adverse Actions
PL18-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL19-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL20-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL21-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL22-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL05-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL06-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL07-20 - Adverse Actions
U(d)11-20 - Office of the SecDef
U(d)18-20 - Adverse Actions
U12-20 - Office of the SecDef
U13-20 - Office of the SecDef
U14-20 - Office of the SecArmy
U15-20 - Adverse Actions
U16-20 - Adverse Actions
U17-20 - Adverse Actions
U19-20 - Adverse Actions
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CPT Griff Tatum Yea that’s frustrating seeing as in U11-20... and U12-20 published
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U12-20 has not published - its 121 days in cycle.. or if it has there has been no notice of it happening.
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CPT Griff Tatum
CW3 (Join to see) - According to her out of office reply U12-20 has published. It might take some time (24-48) to see an order.
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CPT Griff Tatum - you'll have to email me or hit me up on teams to explain her "out of office reply". but if that's the case - the YEAH!! maybe... 123 days
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As of 19Jul
# on Scroll # of Days Current Status As of:
First Lieutenant Promotions
L02-19 552 ? OSD 12 JUL 19
L03-19 620 ? OTJAG/Adv 25 JUN 19
Presidential Scrolls (CPT-LTC)
P11-19 51 123 OSD 19 JUN 19
P13-19 49 81 OSD 10 JUL 19
P15-19 50 51 OSD 10 JUL 19
P16-19 51 51 OSD 10 JUL 19
P17-19 50 35 OTJAG 20 JUN 19
P18-19 47 31 OTJAG 20 JUN 19
P19-19 47 25 OTJAG 25 JUN 19
P20-19 67 2 OTJAG/Adv 18 JUL 19
Senate Scrolls (COL)
S03-19 12 123 OSD 14 JUN 19
S04-19 12 107 OSD 19 JUN 19
S05-19 19 51 OSD 12 JUL 19
S06-19 12 0 OTJAG 19 JUL 19
CW2 Scrolls
U(d) 09-19 110 122 OSD 12 JUL 19
U(d) 14-19 151 24 OTJAG/Adv 21 JUN 19
Warrant Officer Scrolls (CW3-CW5)
U11-19 76 85 OSD 14 JUN 19
U12-19 63 59 OTJAG 17 JUN 19
U13-19 50 46 OTJAG/Adv 3 JUL 19
U15-19 55 16 OTJAG 5 JUL 19
U16-19 54 4 OTJAG/Adv 15 JUL 19
All previous scrolls approved
# on Scroll # of Days Current Status As of:
First Lieutenant Promotions
L02-19 552 ? OSD 12 JUL 19
L03-19 620 ? OTJAG/Adv 25 JUN 19
Presidential Scrolls (CPT-LTC)
P11-19 51 123 OSD 19 JUN 19
P13-19 49 81 OSD 10 JUL 19
P15-19 50 51 OSD 10 JUL 19
P16-19 51 51 OSD 10 JUL 19
P17-19 50 35 OTJAG 20 JUN 19
P18-19 47 31 OTJAG 20 JUN 19
P19-19 47 25 OTJAG 25 JUN 19
P20-19 67 2 OTJAG/Adv 18 JUL 19
Senate Scrolls (COL)
S03-19 12 123 OSD 14 JUN 19
S04-19 12 107 OSD 19 JUN 19
S05-19 19 51 OSD 12 JUL 19
S06-19 12 0 OTJAG 19 JUL 19
CW2 Scrolls
U(d) 09-19 110 122 OSD 12 JUL 19
U(d) 14-19 151 24 OTJAG/Adv 21 JUN 19
Warrant Officer Scrolls (CW3-CW5)
U11-19 76 85 OSD 14 JUN 19
U12-19 63 59 OTJAG 17 JUN 19
U13-19 50 46 OTJAG/Adv 3 JUL 19
U15-19 55 16 OTJAG 5 JUL 19
U16-19 54 4 OTJAG/Adv 15 JUL 19
All previous scrolls approved
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CPT (Join to see) - You're welcome. The newest update was 8 Aug and your scroll is still OTJAG. If you want to check, search for Ricci Moore on the global email. When you put her name in the to box, an automatic reply will show up with the status of all scrolls. My scroll published so I don't anticipate being present on this site as often.
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Just checked and PL9-19 has been approved. Congratulations to all of my fellow officers on that scroll. It's been frustrating that the scroll was up at OSD for 2 1/2 months, but we've been fortunate considering some scrolls have taken more than a year to publish.
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30 MAY 2019 is my effective date, it's sitting in my IPERMS this morning. PL9-19
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I have a reliable connection that has good intel from NGB. He mentioned that PL9-19, PL12-19 and PL14-19 have been published. I don't know if they are in Iperms yet though....
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I'm on 12-19, my FEDREC appeared in IPERMS on the 12th with an effective date of 18JUN19.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I don't have access to my mil email. If you do,To get the most up to date list open up a new message in your enterprise email. locate and add "Moore, Ricci" in the to line. Do not actually send the email. if you do this after work hours an away message will pop up on your screen. It'll have the most recent update
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Update as of 28 June 2019:
PL08-19 - Check iPERMS for Orders
PL09-19 - OSD (Yes scrolls are out of order)
PL10-19 - Check iPERMS for Orders
PL11-19 - OSD
PL12-19 - OSD
PL13-19 - VCSA
PL14-19 - OSD
PL15-19 - ASA
PL16-19 - ASA
PL17-9 - OTJAG
PL18-19 - OTJAG
PL19-19 - Averse Screening
SL03-19 - OSD
SL04-19 - OSD
SL05-19 - Adverse Screening
U06-19 - OSD
U07-19 - OSD
U08-19 - OSD
U(d)9-19 - ASA
U10-19 - OSD
U11-19 - OSD
U12-19 - OTJAG
U13-19 - OTJAG
U(d)14-19 - Adverse Screening
PL08-19 - Check iPERMS for Orders
PL09-19 - OSD (Yes scrolls are out of order)
PL10-19 - Check iPERMS for Orders
PL11-19 - OSD
PL12-19 - OSD
PL13-19 - VCSA
PL14-19 - OSD
PL15-19 - ASA
PL16-19 - ASA
PL17-9 - OTJAG
PL18-19 - OTJAG
PL19-19 - Averse Screening
SL03-19 - OSD
SL04-19 - OSD
SL05-19 - Adverse Screening
U06-19 - OSD
U07-19 - OSD
U08-19 - OSD
U(d)9-19 - ASA
U10-19 - OSD
U11-19 - OSD
U12-19 - OTJAG
U13-19 - OTJAG
U(d)14-19 - Adverse Screening
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CH (LTC) (Join to see)
It's just a rough guide. P09-19 has been sitting at final stage OSD for 6-7 weeks.
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I checked last night and they were still showing the last update from 7 JUN 19. Has anyone from P08-19 seen anything in their iPerms?
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Potentially 11 scrolls could be published in JUL (looking at the list from 7JUN) ? At least this is what I'm telling myself as I'm on P13-19
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Outstanding and Congratulations! Hopefully that means there's forward progress with the OSD.
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Thanks! Definitely makes that overseas pay nicer... Hopefully the other OSD folks can get done soon!
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Update, folks. What's up with PL04-19? Things seemed to move fairly quickly for a few scrolls prior, but now things seem stalled. I'm on PL05-19, and hoping by end of April!
L01-19: Published
PL04-19 - CSA
PL05-19 - CSA
PL06-19 - JAG
PL07-19 - JAG
PL08-19 - JAG
SL06-18 - OSD (out of order)
SL01-19 - Published
SL02-19 - Published
U05-19 - Published
U01-19 - OSD
U02-19 - Published
U03-19 - CSA
U04-19 CSA
U06-19 - JAG
As of 11 March
L01-19: Published
PL04-19 - CSA
PL05-19 - CSA
PL06-19 - JAG
PL07-19 - JAG
PL08-19 - JAG
SL06-18 - OSD (out of order)
SL01-19 - Published
SL02-19 - Published
U05-19 - Published
U01-19 - OSD
U02-19 - Published
U03-19 - CSA
U04-19 CSA
U06-19 - JAG
As of 11 March
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CPT (Join to see) - Yeah... I'm wondering what's up with your scroll? I know that they used to hold things up if there was an issue with a single person--not sure if that's the case now. But just looking at previous posts and times, I'm hoping we both get sent to OSD near the same time.
There isn't an update posted today, but expect one to come Monday.
There isn't an update posted today, but expect one to come Monday.
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I am also on PL 05-19 I am really hoping before the end of April as we have our first AT
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P05-19 / My state orders posted on Nov 15th any update on the tracker? mine just says scroll created 0 days in process
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Hope this is "better late than never"...
Our reports have not been sent out as frequently as the past. Not sure what that means...
Our reports have not been sent out as frequently as the past. Not sure what that means...
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