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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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CW3 Instructor Pilot / Maintenance Examiner
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U10-18 in the house, lets get this watch party started!
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CPT Griff Tatum
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Just scrolled? Congrats and have fun. The only thing ill miss everyday when mine drops is having something do to first thing when I wake up each morning: check FEDREC. Luckily it took so long CPT wont be too far down the road haha. L04-17 at 280 days.
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Good luck. Time to test your patience further..
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UPDATE P01-18 Published yesterday ... effective date 04MAY2018.
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MAJ Systems Development
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it isn't official until i see an oak leaf on my AKO!!!
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MAJ Multifunctional Logistician
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how many days did it take for P01-18 to publish?
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MAJ Systems Development
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MAJ (Join to see) - Field grade selection board (state) May 2017, moved into slot JUL2017, state promotion order aug 2017, NGB Scrolled oct2017. Been a long road LOL.
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MAJ Multifunctional Logistician
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MAJ (Join to see) - Congrats sir! I'm P07-18 (VA as well) so we'll see.
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Looks like P14-17 just published
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Hasn't hit IPERMS yet. I'll post once it does
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
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Do you see a change of rank on AKO?
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Maj Squadron Commander
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Nothing yet. I only saw the change in the tracker today.
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Maj Squadron Commander
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Promo is now in IPERMS DOR 27 April. No changes on AKO yet
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Glad to see the wheels are turning!
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MAJ (Join to see) - I wish we got back pay HA
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Speaking of wheels. I have turned my timeline into an attractive piechart.
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
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LTC (Join to see) - That's impressive work!
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Thank you. It is a result of spending too much time on a staff.
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Question.... How are scrolls that are only at 100 and some days already sitting on the Sec Dev approval step of this and P10-17 is still not promoted.... Not to be bitter, but this has become an absolute joke and has helped me on my decision of not staying in.
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MAJ Assistant Brigade Logistics Officer (S4)
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Add the 3 month Zero time to us as well as the 300 plus days........on the scroll. Most of us have gone over the 12 month mark since our state promotion orders were cut which is a 3 month process as well
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At least I'm not the only one who shares that sentiment. I keep trying not to think about it.
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1LT(P) Multifunctional Logistician
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Right, I'm on P12-17 and will hit a year since my state promotion in about 2 weeks. I've been on active duty as a company commander the entire time, I agree about not wanting to stay in after this.
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CPT (Join to see) - Well, this is the place for those of us who obsess in disbelief over the absurdity......this may not be a healthy place for you
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P05-18 just made it to SecDef!!
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P04-18 has been there for a week or so
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CW2 (Join to see) - It seems all of the -18 scrolls are moving much faster than the -17 scrolls. That said, you still have a long way to go.
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MAJ Multifunctional Logistician
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If you look at the total amount of days for P01-18 to get published (~140 days), you can tell that the pace has gotten to be a lot faster (half the time comparing to 2017 scrolls). I'm willing to bet the attention that Congress has been given to DOD (from the survey released last Nov) is the culprit of this rapid movement in timeline.
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P04-17 from last year published in around 137 days... This is still all BS. I'm at 142 days, (P04-18) and have been at SECDEF for five and a half weeks. Still way too long, they should all be fired.
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Update for those of you on P13-17. I spoke with Renee Marshall and she told me we have been at SECDEC since March 6. The process typically is 3 to 4 weeks, so we could see orders any day.
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Nice to see movement but very frustrating as someone on scroll P10. Imagine if our companies were run in this manner. No one would be ready to deploy. Ours still shows Sec Army but hoping we are beyond that now. They need to be signing 3 or 4 scrolls per month in order to get caught up.
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Hang in there bro, we are all almost there. It looks like the scrolls behind us are moving so maybe the problem has been fixed so it wont hold us up when we hit 04
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Update: I called Rene Marshall and apparently the site is stuck at DCS G1. I know my scroll P13-17 is actually at VCSA, 2 steps from SECDEF. We probably have 2 months to go based upon her guidance.
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MAJ (Join to see) - hey brother! I did MI CCC and had to wait for fedrec for my new MOS. That delayed me by 4 months before starting the process. I hope they fix this before its our time for 04.
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LTC (Join to see) - 290 scroll days today for P10-17...while I am happy for any scroll to have movement, potentially getting lapped is painful. I can't imagine still being in this process 2 months from now...
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CPT All Source Intelligence
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We are presently at 227 days and at VCA as of 1 March so it is possible we are closer than that.
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MAJ Signal Officer
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I do see some movement today for p13-17, now shows
"Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval" @ 228 days
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This pretty much sums it up.
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For anyone interested, here is an updated NGAUS article about their FEDREC survey...I only wish the survey was still open so that those still waiting could have shared our experiences as well (as it seems the trend is just getting longer and longer), but there are some great resources here for contacting your elected officials:

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/ngaus-‘fedrec’-survey-finds-frustration?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=mfortsonharwell%40mednet.ucla.edu&utm_content=February%2020%2C%202018%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Waiting%20and%20waiting%20for%20promotions
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Scroll update as of Today, 9 February 2018. Red highlighted scrolls are new or recently moved.
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It could we be worse...we could be on scroll L03-15. Seriously, over a thousand days???
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LTC (Join to see) - I am pretty sure that is a completed scroll. If its not, then there was clearly major flags on it. But I have not seen that scroll on DPRO, so I am gonna say its published. From what I can see, D08-17 is currently the longest scroll being processed.
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Brad is correct. I didnt do a good job of cleaning up my post. After checking, the report actually says "Final approval of scroll" in the comments. Sometimes things dont get dropped. Unfortunately, I had a CW2 pass away while awaiting promotion and he STILL shows up as awaiting assignment to scroll.... n Its kinda sick humor, but there is one person who passed on waiting for Fed Rec.... I feel I can say that because he would have agreed with it! :-)
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Thanks for posting, where can this tracker be found?
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Latest update sent out as of 1 Feb. Probably not much news here...
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Took U11 from day 77 to day 221 to get out of JAG. This makes me sad. I just picked up an AGR position at my state. This is taking on a whole new level of importance for me.
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Where do you get the status of all these scrolls?
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P08-17 has finally been published.. Published: SO# 31; 2018-02-01
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Congratulations to all those on P08-17!
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I'm on P11-17... How many days were you at when it published?
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1LT (Join to see) - We were at ~283 days on scroll
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Why do I keep checking this thing, like something's going to change? At this point I am just torturing myself. Of course nothing's changed, you don't get to ~270 days scrolling by actually displaying progress. My maximum TIG is approaching.... I am The Terminal LT!
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I'm on D08-17, and my state orders will be a year old on January 26. D08-17 will be breaking the 300 day mark this weekend.
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You commissioned May 15 as a 1LT how are you at your max TIG? You are not eligible to compete in the RC CPT AMEDD PSB this year which has a zone of consideration of 31 Aug 14 or earlier. This process is absolutely broken and needs fixed but it is a UVP and you are years ahead of your peers who did not get selected for UVP.
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I commissioned in 2015, but also received constructive credit after commissioning, pushing my effective DOR back a year to 7 July 2014, putting me in that zone. Max TIG is 5 years, correct? I am at nearly 4 years TIG now....given the pace of this process, I may run out of time with *only* a year or so left to sit in the Fed Rec before I hit max TIG. I was being sarcastic...I hope...... but given what I have seen so far, it is plausible
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CPT (Join to see) - I'll join you in spirit. My state order is dated 15 Feb 2017 too :/
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U06-17, D08-17, and P08-17, are now three of the longest running promotion scrolls being processed in a while (and others are also catching up). Its funny, I still remember my commander saying that the fedrec process was averaging less than a 180 days when this process started, but I believe these scrolls are over 300 days now with D08-17 alone being at SECDEF for over three months (supposedly the last step in the process)... And still no one has provided the reason why this happening all of sudden. I understand if there is extra vetting now which would hold it up at a particular step in the process, or if a particular scroll has derogatory information for a particular officer that needs to be addressed. However, for all scrolls being held up at every single step makes no sense to anyone. And now many are at OSD, which is supposedly a relatively quick/final step (I have heard less than 30 days), so what is the hold up still?

On that note, when was the last promotion scroll signed? Something like six months ago? So no ARNG officers have had a federal promotion in that time? I am actually surprised there are not more letters to congress.
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well, P09-17 published. They forgot about P08-17.
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CPT (Join to see) - Are you sure it wasn't U09-17 that published?
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CPT (Join to see) - Rgr ma'am. That is actually good news, because it means the scrolls are all moving even beyond the information I received on Friday.
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I have a suspicion, that our Secretary of Defense is unaware that there are literally thousands of National Guard Officers whose promotions are currently waiting on his approval. James Mattis does not strike me as the kind of leader that would be pleased with that. I would hate to be the one that hands him those scrolls with all the names and numbers of those of us stuck in Purgatory when he asks, "What is the story behind these?"
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Or, they will find the new employee and say, “Hey, do you want to make great impression to the SECDEF? Here, take these scrolls to him and answer any questions he may have. There might be two or three questions, but no big deal”
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CPT (Join to see) - Seems like your assessment is correct, based on the RUMINT we have been hearing, that L03-17 was signed Friday, 5 Jan 2018 and U06-17 was signed Tuesday, 9 Jan 2018.
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Any update for P08-17
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CPT (Join to see) - We will most likely be the last to know! I hope I could just log in and see it complete but I have zero confidence in this now
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Article posted today from NGAUS. Also contains a link for you to tell your FED REC story. One Officer was on a scroll for over 2,000 days.... I would have lost my marbles.

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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The following article appeared today on the NGAUS website. About 2/3 down the article is a link to complete a survey regarding the Fedrec process for anyone who has been through in the last five years.

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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Beat me to it, haha
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Congrats to my fellow FedWreckers (Thanks Chief,) of P08-17 and P09-17! We have joined the miserable legions of The Forgotten in wallowing on a scroll for over 200 days. I'm going to go home and yell into a beer in your honor.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I need to see what retirement will be as a 1LT
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CPT (Join to see) - NGAUS wants to hear our stories. https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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217 days. I could scream.
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CPT (Join to see) - Still a story, and I share your sentiment.
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This FedRec process is similar to those moving walkways in the airport, except for many of us waiting on our respective scrolls it seems like we are walking in the opposite direction. That is, it takes extra effort just to maintain continuous momentum to go forward, then once we stop moving (e.g. the JAG office reviewing the scroll) the walkway sends us backwards, almost to the point where we started. Yet we struggle to get to that exact point where we stopped, and then continue with that struggle to move past that point (e.g. JAG or Asst Sec Army) to try and reach the end. Along the way, however, and because we are exhausted, we stop, only for the walkway to send us backwards again, past that first stopping point and almost to the beginning--again. The cycle continues almost interminably, sort of like Sisyphus rolling the proverbial boulder uphill, thus condemning all of us to the eternal FedRec process. As an added measure, every night I go to sleep by placing one coin on top of each eye, for I fear that U06-17 is dead. I am, therefore, prepared to pay Charon to ferry me across the river Styx to meet my fate at the hands of Hades, the holder of the scroll in the deepest bowels of FedRec hell.

Okay, admittedly my mind went off track on this posting; I have no idea how I envisioned this silly analogy.
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Wow.
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I swear that I passed my MMPIs.....all of them, although there were a lot of residue from the erasure marks. I think there should be an option for 'Maybe' or "It Depends ' rather than being forced to answer Yes or No.
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