Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?

You actually went forward, so it's good news! There are DCS stops both before and after JAG.

It used to be that NGB had a commitment to scroll and send up packets to start within 45 days. That time doesn't go in into the "number of days".
However, they are doing a LOT of pre-screening, which it looks like has drastically cut down on the time at JAG (based on recent scrolls). Taking that initial 'planned' 45 days out, adding an extra 30-45 days to save on MONTHS at JAG seems like a good trade.
DA just wasnt given the resources to do the extra screening required by DOD in 2016....

My scroll is currently U04-18 and is sitting at the JAG currently 90 days on the DOD cycle, my good friend is 50 days ahead of me on scroll U02-18 he is already sitting at the SECDEF waiting for the Signature. That's pretty good !!!! I am hoping for the same results crossing my fingers.

CW5 (Join to see) - Thanks Chief!

I'm on this scroll brother. It moved to Judge Advocate office sometime recently. The newer comments make it look like the scrolls are moving a bit faster from JA towards SECDEF. We shall see.

CW5 (Join to see) - It seems to me that given the DoD is fully aware of how antiquated this process is and how long it takes they should allow all officers with unit vacancy promotions to submit packets one full year in advance. Once the packets/scrolls have been vetted and approved, just delay publication of the federal recognition/promotion order until the individual has met their time in grade requirement. Seems like a win-win to me.

Very legitimate point, and (I think) a good proposal.
I think I've posted before, I dont know about the RLO promo system, but ALL NG Warrant Officer promotions are Unit Vacancy Promos. NGR 600-101 allows packets to go to the State Federal Recognition Boards up to 120 days before TIG is met. It was raised from 90 days early in 2014. Maybe they should consider raising another 30, 60 or 90 days since the requirements of the FedRec system have had major changes since that last update to the reg.
However, we were told that the Fed Rec process (perhaps, at best) is supposed to take 4-6 months, and that is considered 'acceptable'. This is why we can submit 4 months early.
But you know, I keep track and will usually send out emails to WOs in my units, telling them they are 8-9 months away from promotion eligibility and that they should submit packets 6 months early. It takes about 2 months to work through Chain of Command and get processed by G1 before going to FRB. But I cant think of a single time in the past few years anyone ever submitted early.
I dont think there's any conspiracy to save money or anything, I just think its the normal inefficiency of DA Staff processes. But it seems that getting back pay and DOR to date of State orders is a no-brainer. ESPECIALLY for WOs, who as UVPs, are doing the work of the extra responsibility.

The ONLY good thing I can say about the scrolling process is that once you are on a scroll, promotion is inevitable (unless you have skeletons in your closet) we just have to grin and bear it in the meantime.

U13-17 has now moved to OSD! The scroll only spent a week at Secretary of the Army. Tracking 269 days. Here's to getting the damned thing published soon.

I'd email her. I'm sure she's getting an exponential amount of calls...

CW3 (Join to see) - Thanks! I really hope so. I was told by Renee Marshall on the 6th that it was at ASA. GKO shows DMPM, so I really hope you're right!

CW3 (Join to see) - Check your IPERMS Chief. My FEDREC order showed up today... Not showing on the Tracker yet.

Showed up in my IPERMS this morning. Thanks for the heads up!

Congrats gents. Hopefully, P11 is not too far behind

Any word from Renee on P13-17? I'm deployed and the time frame to call back there is a bit jacked up. Typically not very timely e-mail responses from her, either, but I'm sure she's swamped. Last time I tried, it took 3 emails over a month + to get a reply, but that was 3-4 months ago.

MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, in case you didn't see the update above from CPT (Join to see): "It sounds like a lot of us are at SECDEF. I called Rene and she said P13-17 got there March 6, so we could get the fedrec orders in our iperms at any moment. I have drill this weekend so I'm hoping it hits in the next 48 hours."

CPT (Join to see) - I must've missed that one. I was wondering when we hit that step, thanks for passing it along.

P13-17 got published! hooray for all of us, and for the others still in the process - I hope it goes faster than ours!

I am also 13-17. I keep trying to stop myself from looking every week, but I always give in and end up disappointed. The DA board does usually go faster, yes.

So these are two different processes, obviously... The DA Board you must meet the requirements for that FY and particular board. Currently 4 - 6 years TIG for 1LT to CPT depending on the particular board. The Board meets and eventually releases the results, last year they recessed in May and released the results in November, then you need to be in an O3 spot to get promoted. Even with the ridiculous wait time for the UVP process, it is still faster than waiting on the DA Board, waiting for their results and finding a vacant position to be promoted into. I do not believe the USAR has a UVP process.

I only meant that the process itself of having the board, releasing results and pinning is typically faster.(with the assumption that you are already in a slot) The overall process to get to the day of eligibility for higher ranks is usually much longer for DA. I just left Active Duty in 2016. Would have been eligible for first MAJ board in 2019 under their timeline. Instead, I got approved for a UV pretty quickly and started Fed Rec process for O4 in Jun 2017.(lucky that my resume was very full from all those AD years) If Fed Rec was an efficient and reasonable 90 day process, then I'd have been promoted more than 2 years earlier than my AD counterparts. Even with this unnecessarily long process, the promotion is likely to be at least a year earlier than AD would have been. Hard to complain about that part.

Last year's O-3 to O-4 board convened in March, but orders weren't published until September. I'm currently on P13-17 with you guys but this month would have been my first look via DA Board. I'm still hoping we get these orders before those guys going to board this month....it's sounding possible after all.

Ive written to my senator and congressman. If it isn't fixed in the next couple years I am going to the reserves. This is absurd.

I'll get you a scroll # Brad. I spoke to him over drill this weekend but didn't get a scroll #.

I stand corrected looks like D08 is his scroll.

D08-17 is now sitting at 329 days.

CW3 (Join to see) - Yup, passed up U06-17 as the longest running scroll (with no known flag) in some time.

I'm at day 230, I was at OT Jag from day 77 to day 223. I'm guessing another 3 months.

Infinity

About 130 days

P04-18 was at OTJAG for about 32 days. Maybe they are starting to get their crap ironed out. Hasn't hit the G1 tracker yet but I guess we are at DMPM now and only 65 DOD days into the process..... Maybe we'll spend 150 days at DMPM! blah

214 days

223 days.

CPT (Join to see) - We are actually at VCSA, the site is not updating.

Finally at SecDef!!!
228 days

Hey what's the reg/pamphlet/etc that covers that this timelime SHOULD be?

Hard to say, I was at OTJAG until OCT, our scroll was finally published end of January on P08. Estimate 3-4 months?

I am on P10-17. A couple of weeks ago someone on my scroll contacted OPM and was told 30-60 days, but I find that doubtful at this point. The 3-4 months CPT Zenzen mentioned sounds more reasonable. We are at DCS G1 as well, and at 250 days on the scroll today. From what I'm tracking for the P01-17 through P09-17 scrolls that have published, the scroll day range prior to receiving promotion orders has been 175-283 days, with an average of 227 so far.

Chief, looks like you're at the 2nd DMPM step.

Thats painful. Looks like another 3-6 months at this rate.

The tracker isn't current a lot of times. They only update it once a month from what I understand. You could be further along than you think. CW2 Brad's tracker is more accurate. I'm not sure how he gets it but it is way more up to date than the one at the self service site.

CPT (Join to see) - Not my tracker sir, it came from my state OPM. However the information is available in DPRO (you need access to it, typically S/G/J-1's will have access).

I love it, First get the Promotion order, 4 months later request for retirement, 90 days later retire.

It sounds like there are so many hands in the cookie jar that it has turned into a self-licking ice cream cone.

MAJ (Join to see) - Soon we are going to be the "old timers" on this post. Back in my day our scrolls went over 300 days!

CPT (Join to see) - I would accept that if it improves. If Fed Rec is still this bad when I'm up for Major, I can't say for sure that I won't cross over to the Reserves. I don't want to do this again.

CW3 (Join to see) - The info that you saw wouldn't happen to show P08-17, would it?

CW3 (Join to see) - I hear ya. That is really all I have, I am sorry.

MAJ (Join to see) - Yes, as of 24 Jan P08-17 was showing at OSD.

CW3 (Join to see) - Thanks for the update... now that the SNAFU has been identified, I truly hope D08-17 is rushed over to OSD and signature.

CW2 (Join to see) - Congrats Sir!! Now I'm hopeful for D08-17.

Sounds like U10-17 if signed and on its way back to NGB for IPERMS publishing. Hopefully that means U11 is not far behind.

CW3 (Join to see) - U10-17 has published. Chief Hoffman just posted the screenshot.

Ya, I heard about this last week. Hopefully, U11 isn't far behind. I've been at OT JAG for 139 days now.

CPT (Join to see) - Where you asking how to submit it?

CPT (Join to see) - I don't know how to submit one.

I contacted my congressman by going to his website on the House of Representative website and sending an email using the "contact" link. After two days a person from his office contacted me and emailed a release form I had to sign for an inquiry. The person said he is already working an inquiry from my district and has been in contact with both NGB and big army. From our discussion it sounded like a lot of people are aware of the issue. I would encourage everyone to contact their representative...hopefully if we make enough noise the right person will hear and try to find a meaningful resolution.

Thank you for the info