Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
Edited 9 y ago
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Has anything published this week??? hello P04-18 how long are you going to be on vacation at the SECDEF office??
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MAJ (Join to see)
You'd think with the number of scrolls piled up at SECDEF they would be eager to get some of them approved and published, but it's pretty obvious how little the people in this process seem to give a damn. I think the rush to get through NGB and Army staff offices only happened because of the little bit of extra attention that NGAUS and recent congressional hearings put on this topic. However, so far, SECDEF and his staff haven't been the ones taking the heat on this, it's been the SECARMY taking the heat. Now what seems to have happened is that SECARMY and NGB processes sped up significantly just so everyone could wait forever at SECDEF level instead. It's a maddening process that needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
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Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval; L04-17; 288 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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1LT (Join to see)
No I am on P07-18. The nice thing for you is 2LT to 1LT is back dated/paid. It took me 8 months for 2LT to 1LT. I am currently at 120 days on the counter for this one with another 3 months in the state.
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CPT Griff Tatum
1LT (Join to see) I don’t think you can see all of them. Not that I’m aware of. But who knows. Hopefully yours moves faster than ours did.
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White House Opposes 'FedRec' Legislation
Legislation to hasten federal recognition of National Guard officer promotions does not have the blessing of the White House. The administration of President Trump cites "inequitable treatment" of Guard and active-component and Reserve officers as one reason it opposes the National Guard Promotion Accountability Act.
Legislation to hasten federal recognition of National Guard officer promotions does not have the blessing of the White House. The administration of President Trump cites "inequitable treatment" of Guard and active-component and Reserve officers as one reason it opposes the National Guard Promotion Accountability Act.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I could certainly understand if we were simply waiting on a promotion to move into a higher graded position and then we began to fulfill the duties and responsibilities inherent in that role, but that is not the case. We are "promoted" into a higher graded position and then we await validation of said promotion while fulfilling the duties and responsibilities inherent in the assumed role. This is not what occurs in the active component nor in the USAR. Thus the treatment is inequitable on our account, and not geared towards our COMPOs 1 and 3 counterparts.
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
Mine hasn't been uploaded to perms yet. Maybe in the next couple days. Don't care, going to wear the rank regardless. :)
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MSG Michael McEleney
Meant to Say what is the ROA's response to this problem? Isn't that why you pay dues and membership fees?
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CPT Griff Tatum
NAGUS apparently is the spear head for getting this issue, not resolved (I think it will take a ton of time) but moving faster. I think it's just someone light a fire under their behind. Im no SME on the subject though.
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CPT (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - I think today is your day...sending out good vibes for orders within the next 24 hours. :)
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National Guard Association of the United States - NGAUS
Yesterday Congress introduced The National Guard Promotion Accountability Act, bills S. 2801 and HR. 5713, to address nearly 7,000 Guardsmen waiting for federal recognition of their promotions. For...
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CW5 (Join to see)
Here's the problem, tho. Leaving aside the 'automatic' scrolls (1LT and CW2), by my count, 13 of the 22 scrolls I track are at OSD. Five more have been newly scrolled in the past 6 weeks. If the directive is to the Service Secretaries, they are going to say they have already solved the problem (and I do believe SIGNIFICANT progress has been made). Although the 'planned' process is about 30 days at OSD, and they seem to be somewhat holding to that.
Although I support them, this is a VERY long-time gripe I have with NGAUS. They sometimes do these things that I believe are more directed at membership drives than reality. Things in the 90s that they boasted about every year, but never passed. 'Full' (rather than prorated) flight pay for Reservists, retirement pay at retirement rather than age 60. The 'early retirement pay' hole between 9-11 and Jan 2008 STILL hasn't been fixed.
I do believe that effective date of promotion at State orders date is just common sense. It used to be that FedRec was 'backdated' with an effective date of State orders. But it is a LONG way from a press release to implementation.
As I have said, WOs packets are allowed to go to the FRB 4 months before TIG requirements are met. That 'solution' has been around for almost 4 years.
And the whole 'Exemplary Conduct Screening' requirement, that mostly caused this delay was caused by the previous administration's SecDef.
Although I support them, this is a VERY long-time gripe I have with NGAUS. They sometimes do these things that I believe are more directed at membership drives than reality. Things in the 90s that they boasted about every year, but never passed. 'Full' (rather than prorated) flight pay for Reservists, retirement pay at retirement rather than age 60. The 'early retirement pay' hole between 9-11 and Jan 2008 STILL hasn't been fixed.
I do believe that effective date of promotion at State orders date is just common sense. It used to be that FedRec was 'backdated' with an effective date of State orders. But it is a LONG way from a press release to implementation.
As I have said, WOs packets are allowed to go to the FRB 4 months before TIG requirements are met. That 'solution' has been around for almost 4 years.
And the whole 'Exemplary Conduct Screening' requirement, that mostly caused this delay was caused by the previous administration's SecDef.
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CW5 (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) - They may solve one problem and create another in the process. Case in point. If an officer has seniority of +/- 1 year over another officer and is being promoted under the current process, 245-300+ days. The other officer gets promoted under the "fixed" system. The senior officer will most likely lose their TIG seniority to the other officer.
I would imagine that the army would recognize this and change the policy regarding submission of promotion packets to account for the new promotion timeline. When you are competing for a senior position, especially when there is a very limited number of them, TIG becomes even more important.
As for the exemplary screening, political leaders do not like getting poked in the eye. A GO or other senior officer that is visible to the public does something stupid, they get poked in the eye and hammered by their opponents because they promoted them. So in typical government fashion, they throw the baby out with the bath water. Now their theory is that if we can identify the "bad apples" early, we can prevent them from becoming "senior bad apples" and poking us in the eye.
I would imagine that the army would recognize this and change the policy regarding submission of promotion packets to account for the new promotion timeline. When you are competing for a senior position, especially when there is a very limited number of them, TIG becomes even more important.
As for the exemplary screening, political leaders do not like getting poked in the eye. A GO or other senior officer that is visible to the public does something stupid, they get poked in the eye and hammered by their opponents because they promoted them. So in typical government fashion, they throw the baby out with the bath water. Now their theory is that if we can identify the "bad apples" early, we can prevent them from becoming "senior bad apples" and poking us in the eye.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) - Chief-that is the principle issue I have with this bill. If the TIG is adjusted to reflect state orders then it will create a seniority issue and further down the road-they are eligible for promotion sooner.
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P15-17, P01, P02, P03, P04, P05-18 all pretty much went through Scrolled, OTJAG, DMPM, SECDEF at the same time. Interesting to see in which order they will get published. Scroll number sequence means nothing apparently. PLACE YOUR BETS!!!
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LTC (Join to see)
Well hopefully we all won't sit at SECDEF for 90 days out of spite. I have AT on 31 May and it would be nice to make an additional $1000 for the effort. (P04-18)
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LTC (Join to see) - Im hopeful as well (P05-18). Started an ADOS tour, would be nice to get the additional pay. Heres to hoping orders will be published in the next week or two
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
The tracker was obviously lagging. There are many offices between JAG and Sec Army.
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Because they only work 2 days a month, and 2 weeks a year, so it takes longer for them to do the paperwork. AD is there 20 days a month. That’s probably why. (Where is the “tongue in cheek” emoji?)
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Today is my 1 year anniversary with State Promotion Orders. This is beyond frustrating.
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CW5 (Join to see)
The Army Times just published an article that says some senior folks are talking about giving us back pay. Personally, back pay would be nice but I would much rather recover the lost time in grade. My state order was cut in April 2017. It is now April 2018 and my scroll still hasn’t made it to SECDEF.
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CPT (Join to see)
1LT(P) Quincy J. - I completely agree. If the timeline was meant to be a year from state promotion orders, that would be outrageous, but at least we would know what to expect. I couldn't have said it better: the guess work, anticipation, and anxiety of this process is a completely unnecessary hardship.
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CW5 (Join to see) - Here's a video from the Senate hearing that the Army Times was likely referring to (starting around 1:22:00): https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/18-04-12-posture-of-the-department-of-the-army . I am with you, I would never turn down back pay, but I am most concerned about corrective actions for our DORs.
United States Commitee on Armed Services
United States Committee on Armed Services
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1LT(P) (Join to see)
That honestly seemed more like a political hokey pokey more than anything. Congress has been aware of this problem for several years. Talking about it more doesn't help...they need to actually implement change. I feel like that conversation was to attract votes. Just my opinion.
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Someone on this thread has shown the timeline of the process but some of the things that hold up the process can be if one person on the scroll is not qualified it gets sent back for a restart. Also there is a wait till they get a good number of people before they send up the list to create the scroll. It takes just as long as an active duty or Reserve DA promotion board. My last board met in August and FEDREC/promotion was end of May.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sir, So then the better question is why does it work that way? Why would you have a system that penalizes possibly dozens(hundreds?) of others for one that is not qualified? After the JAG, what could they even be checking that would take any time? With the digital resources available these days, there is no excuse for one scroll to sit in one office for 6 months. The only difference between an active duty board and this one is that the dates are published when the boards are held, then approximate timeframes for the results to be published are known. It is usually a 6 month wait, but there is very little guesswork and all the names come out simultaneously. They also put out a memo if the board or the results are going to be delayed. You do not see other scrolls pass up yours. I'm not arguing it is any better, just much more transparent.
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
Any why the change from several years ago, when officer promotions took 3-6 months?
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LTC (Join to see)
MAJ Kahren Aydinyan - My understanding is that at some point there were promotions went through that shouldn't have for a variety of reasons, so they added additional levels of review and scrutiny. Conceptually that makes sense (i.e., let's do this right) but I suspect they didn't add additional personnel resources to help with the additional work.
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Sir, I dont know that it's the same for the Active component . I went through a commissioning program along with Active Duty Army and Airforce. They pretty much all got pinned CPT at 2 years time in grade on the dot. Myself and most of my fellow Guard members that graduated with them are still waiting, with 3+ years TIG. No negative actions on us.
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Check your IPERMS my FEDREC order is in there. I was on U11-17. It hasn't registered on the tracker yet. Congrats to all on this list.
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CW5 (Join to see)
"Dont forget to tip your waitress"....
If anyone at NGB provided updates or took some arrows, it might be nice to toss them a "thank you" note. This isnt their fault, but they are part of the solution fixing it....
If anyone at NGB provided updates or took some arrows, it might be nice to toss them a "thank you" note. This isnt their fault, but they are part of the solution fixing it....
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Any update on P10-17? I think we are the longest running scroll at this point.
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COL (Join to see)
Hahaha. Well, with some hard work, dedication, and good 'ol fashioned willpower you may achieve your goal!
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MAJ (Join to see)
Any updates on 10?
Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P11-17; 280 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P11-17; 280 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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MAJ (Join to see)
Well-on the upside.....we can at least boast that we are of the "extremely vetted" variety of officer....which not everyone can say!
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Race Against Time!!!
For those of you who haven't gotten the word, the FY18 Call to Active Duty order is out. I plan to throw my hat in the ring. However, I'm on scroll 01-18 and the deadline for CAD applications is 29JUN. I was put on scroll in OCT and 01-18 is currenlty at OTJAG. Thoughts on whether publication will occur prior to 29JUN? I'm thinking there is a 50/50 chance according to history. Any input is appriciated : -)
For those of you who haven't gotten the word, the FY18 Call to Active Duty order is out. I plan to throw my hat in the ring. However, I'm on scroll 01-18 and the deadline for CAD applications is 29JUN. I was put on scroll in OCT and 01-18 is currenlty at OTJAG. Thoughts on whether publication will occur prior to 29JUN? I'm thinking there is a 50/50 chance according to history. Any input is appriciated : -)
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You better read the requirements for CAD. A 1LT only has to have BOLC complete to be accepted, a CPT has to have completed a CCC.
My coworker submitted a packet as a 1LT last year was promoted to CPT shortly there after. He received a phone call said congrats you have been accepted, he stated he was a CPT now. To which they informed him he no longer met the qualifications due to not having completed CCC.
My coworker submitted a packet as a 1LT last year was promoted to CPT shortly there after. He received a phone call said congrats you have been accepted, he stated he was a CPT now. To which they informed him he no longer met the qualifications due to not having completed CCC.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - Dag ... that sucks for your friend. I'm on scroll for O4 so no issues there.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - I don't think the G1 page has been updated. I know P01-18 was scrolled in OCT ... 1st scroll of the fiscal year.
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CW5 (Join to see)
I doubt the G1 page is updated more than about once a month, if that.... Its too much of a manual process and involves updating several different databases.
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Mine is sitting at 163 days in the cycle on scroll L04-17 with JAG. My state orders are from February 2017. How much longer are they going to hold it hostage?
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CPT (Join to see)
Wow that is crazy, you must have had a long delay to get your packet to NGB. The good news is your DOR and backpay are taken care of!
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Raise your hand if you were on U06-17.
Give us a chance to congratulate.
And dont just leave. Remember, our job as leaders is to make things better for those that come after us!
Give us a chance to congratulate.
And dont just leave. Remember, our job as leaders is to make things better for those that come after us!
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Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval;
P09-17; 270 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Just updated today. Sorry I have no information on other scrolls.
P09-17; 270 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Just updated today. Sorry I have no information on other scrolls.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - Right? As if we haven't waited long enough, now we have this goat rodeo to contend with... Although, it seems that being at OSD no longer means anything...6-17 was there for months.
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D08-17 has been at OSD for 4 months--longer than any current scroll being processed (even U06-17).
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW3 (Join to see) - Touche....and that has to be incredibly infuriating...to sit at the last step for 4 months.
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Did the G1 tracker site go down? I cannot get it to come up. Another sad fact is with the pending government shutdown, this will definitely affect all of us. In fact, it would not surprise me if the NGB will go ahead and justify that as a day-off and give themselves a 3, or perhaps a 4-day weekend.
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CPT (Join to see)
I wasn't even tracking the GOV shutdown potential, and we are supposed to have drill this weekend!
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CW3 (Join to see)
Yep, I’m at drill now (split training) and this Friday is our dining out, which I found out about on this forum (Thank you LT Felder). So,,other than this forum being a great outlet to vent our frustrations, it’s also works to remind someone to check their AKO now and then, with that someone being me. Otherwise, I would have shown up in my standard uniform: Ranger Panties, schmedium t-shirt, flip flops, a light coat of CLP, and a Cheshire Cat grin.
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