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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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I checked tonight and still no change in scroll status noted for the long weekend.

13 MAY is still our most recent update.
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Hurry up and wait!!!
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"On the command to stand still..." "Ready; MOVE"...or not.
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*Checked tonight and still no new update
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31 MAY: No Update
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As of 22 FEB 2019:

L01-19 - OSD
PL01-19 - Check iPERMS for published orders
PL02-19 - Check iPERMS for published orders
PL03-19 - OSD
PL04-19 - CSA
PL05-19 - CSA
SL06-18 - OSD
SL01-19 - OSD
SL02-19 - OSD
U(d) 05-19 - OSD
U14-18 - Check iPERMS for published orders
U01-19 - CSA (yes, the scrolls are still ot of order)
U02-19 - Check iPERMS for published orders ( yes, this is correct - the scrolls are out of order)
U03-19 - CSA
U04-19 - CSA
U06-19 - OTJAG
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MAJ, any updates as of late? I'm specifically interested in U06-19. Thank you.
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Thanks to MAJ (Join to see) for the assist!

As of 16 Nov 18

L04-18 – ASA (M&RA)
PL12-18 - OSD
PL13-18 - CSA
PL14-18 - ASA (M&RA)
PL15-18 - ASA (M&RA)
PL01-19 - OTJAG
SL06-18 - ASA (M&RA)
SL01-19 - OTJAG
U(d) 11-18 - OSD
U(d) 15-18 - Adverse Screening
U10-18 - OSD
U12-18 - Adverse Screening
U13-18 - Adverse Screening
U14-18 - Adverse Screening
U01-19 - OTJAG
U02-19 - OTJAG

probably won't be another update until after the 26th.
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I know its been a while, sorry about that. As I have said, I cant generate the data I use for this chart, I just massage what I am sent by our HR people....
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Congratulations P13-17!
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CPT (Join to see) - Wow that's nice, your date of rank is almost a month prior to it showing up on iPerms.
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Congratulations to all of us...here's to hoping the issues get resolved so it's not so painful the next time around.
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Congrats. Praying P11 follows suit....
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Yay for us and best of luck to all the other scrolls lingering..
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Fed Rec Scroll update as of 01 Mar 2018 from our State G1 HR WO. I'm on U11-17 and patiently waiting here in California.
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A couple of things might affect this process.
1. Primarily, NGB has been working with DA to get a lot more of the prescreening done. It was felt this would really help move things along.
2. I dont know exactly when the process "went digital", but that will help as well. I read somewhere on here that it was mid FY17, but not sure.
3. Going digital on TMT also helped improve status reporting. In some cases, it may be that improved reporting just made it seem like things are catching up.
4. Finally, and biggest, as I have said before, this is just normal staffing of documents. NOTHING gets put under the boss's pen or passed to the next office until it has been put under the microscope. The recent article in the NGAUS talked about parallel processes. I dont see that ever happening. There are some, like JAG that might do a little. But fact is, nothing goes to SecArmy until the CSA chops, and nothing goes to the CSA until the VCSA sees it, and nothing goes to VCSA until the Director of the Army Staff approves. Those things will ALWAYS be serial processes, because thats how Staffs work.
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Along those lines, in my case (U01-18), I noticed that the above report showed us out of JAG at DMPM. The image says it is as of 1 Mar, but two of the scrolls say "published 2 Mar", so its off a little. Still, it wasnt until 20 Mar that my info on the G1 portal updated to show that. Its expected, not a problem, but one more anecdote about how all the databases operate at different levels of accuracy because of manual updates.
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CW5 (Join to see) - In your opinion, which is the longer wait? JAG or DMPM? I am on P04-18 and was very surprised that we were only at OTJAG for around 40 days. I have seen several folks post here that in some cases they have been at OTJAG for 150 days or more. Perhaps they are starting to streamline the process. I have been in for 22 years, prior NCO / WO, so these long waits are discouraging because I am hoping to retire as a LTC and everyday this process drags on makes that less likely.
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Is there any correlation between the wait times of Scrolls for O grade officers versus U for Warrant Officers? just curious if it's faster or slower?
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Update as of 20 Feb. Looks like there might be a little movement....
Added a new sheet. This shows the status of each scroll over the last month, with yellow highlights indicating movement. Just seemed like an interesting exercise...
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CW5 (Join to see) - Chief, do you have any guesses as to why your State hasn't sent you the regular updates they have in the past? Thank you so much for sending out all of this valuable information as often as you have. I'm on P10-17 and it's starting to feel like that YouTube video of the kid after his dentist appointment: "Is it going to be like this forever?"
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I expect (hope) we get an update this week. The person that generates the report has been at school for 3 weeks and today is his first day back...
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CW5 (Join to see) - Thank you!
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Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place, let's say going from T-32 to T-10 for a deployment that can be leveraged to make my promotion faster? I'm eligible now and I have just switched to T-10 and was wondering if something I can do. I am on a scroll already U04-18 say's on the counter 67 days in yellow, but my packet has been at NGB for 200+ days any ideas? one other question, is it the total days a person's packet has been at NGB that people are counting or what the counter is saying theirs is at that people are commenting on? because if thats the case I'm F--CK if my counter is only showing 67 i got a long way to go based off the current number most people are getting promoted at.
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Latest Update I can find. Hope it helps.

Please be mindful CURRENT EVENTS ARE IMPACTING THE SCROLLS AT ALL LEVELS!!!!
All scrolls WILL BE PUBLISHED for generation of Promotion Orders AT OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY!!!!
As of 20 OCT 2020
L02-20 - Office of the SecArmy
L03-20 - Office of the SecArmy
L04-20 - Adverse Actions
PL22-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL23-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL24-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL25-20 - Office of the SecDef
PL26-20 - Office of SecArmy
PL27-20 - Office of SecArmy
PL28-20 - Office of SecArmy
PL29-20 - Office of SecArmy
SL07-20 - Office of the SecDef
SL08-20 - Office of SecArmy
SL09-20 - Adverse Actions
U(d)18-20 - Office of SecArmy
U(d)24-20 - OTJAG
U15-20 - Check iPERMS for published order
U17-20 - Check iPERMS for published order
U19-20 - Check iPERMS for published order
U20-20 - Office of the SecDef
U21-20 - Office of SecArmy
U22-20 - Adverse Actions
Thanks for your patience!
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CW2(P) (Verify To See) - I guess the main question is, when or how long will it be until SecDef signs off on the packets once it reaches to SecDec.. Ah man. I am losing out on so much pay because of the delay but fingers crossed chief. Congrats on your promotion!
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No updates since 20 October and looks like the person providing them is out of the office until November 4. I wanted to give everyone interested a heads-up so they aren't continuously refreshing this post. lol
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LTC (Join to see) - lol thanks for the update. Been refreshing this page every single day for an update since G1 hasn't updated in over 7 days. I'll check back Nov 4-6th for an update.
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CW3 (Join to see) - Chief, apologies for what it may seem like a stupid question but how exactly do I receive backpay with this memo? Do I simply attach this memo along with my promotion orders (still waiting on SecDef) to my unit S1 or bring it over to the finance office?
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As of 13 MAY 2019:

L02-19 - Adverse Screening
PL06-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL07-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL08-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL09-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL10-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL11-19 - Adverse Screening
PL12-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
PL13-19 - Adverse Screening
PL14-19 - Adverse Screening
SL03-19 - Adverse Screening
SL04-19 - Adverse Screening
U06-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
U07-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
U08-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
U(d)9-19 - Adverse Screening
U10-19 - Adverse Screening
U11-19 - OTJAG

Seems like PL12-19 moved quite a bit since the previous update.
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It has been there for awhile, that's for sure.
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Any further updates on this list CW2?
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Sorry, I haven't seen an update since 13 MAY.
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CW3 (Join to see) - Thanks for looking!
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Sorry all. No update and I don't expect one until next week.
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Congrats to you all on 05-19!
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CW2 B B - The 9 APR update (see previous thread) is the most recent one posted. Normally this is the best/most up to date place I've found
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MAJ (Join to see) - I agree, these are the best and most reliable updates I've seen.
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Any updates on P13-19 would be appreciated.
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06-18 published! I think we were at around 190 days, which makes me very grateful. I really feel for all you guys who were 300+ while working positions of higher grade.
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On 06-18 - Have you seen anything in iPERMS yet and if so how long did it take?
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LTC (Join to see) Sir, mine showed packet approved on 7/27, and documents were in iPerms on 7/30 with a date of rank of 7/18.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - Thanks - Do you need to update your rank on Rally Point or did it take so long you are already promotable for the next rank. :)
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LTC (Join to see) Well, I wasn’t sure if it was tacky or not to change it on here before actually being pinned. But yes, dang near promotable again haha!
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UPDATE: U13-17 has published effective 22MAY18. DOR is 8MAY18.........FINALLY!
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Congrats! Top of the World.
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Congrats Roger!
Looks like OSD is having a signing party!
ps.... that CW4 looks good! :-)
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CW5 (Join to see) - Yep-P01-18 posted today too...little frustrated to be in the batch of scrolls that got behind but good to see movement. Congrats on Cw4!!!
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P04-18 here, going to AT on 31 May. fingers crossed!
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Congrats to everyone on P10-17, and good luck to all who are still awaiting your orders! Here's a final overview of the offices/days for P10-17, and hoping that these types of delays are not experienced by any of us again in the future. I am looking forward to continuing to work together with you all to advocate for ourselves and continue to improve the process!
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1LT(P) Q J. - 12 APR 18
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Congratulations CPT! Thanks for the update, I’m hoping my scroll is at the SECDEF for only eight days as well.
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P10-17's orders just hit iPerms. DOR is 12 APR 18
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It was meant more as a "tongue -in-cheek" referencing the (P) by everyones rank on RP who is awaiting FEDREC....it's nice to see those go away and see scrolls get published
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I heard P12-17 posted today
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, you are right. Thats not what I was 'told' but it IS what AR 623-3 says. There is also an NGB PPOM 14-017 which states the same, serving in a next higher rank position, having State promo orders and scroll in "Accepted/Approved for Scrolling" status.
That PPOM does also state that it is for OERs only, and the (P) is not authorized for use on a signature block. That is from NGR 600-100, which it doesnt look like has been updated since 1994.
AR 25-50 also prohibits the practice, "except where it enhances the image of the Army". Example given was an LTC serving in a COL spot, signing correspondence requiring a COL signature. Here I am thinking of an "O-6 memo" for mobilization, etc.
I know this was all tongue in cheek, but with all these scrolls being signed, there's nothing else to talk about!
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CW5 (Join to see) - You got that right, brother. I learn a great deal from the posts on this site and as long as we’re learning from our shared experience, that is all that matters.
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Alright P10-17ers, this is our week. I can feel it!
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MAJ (Join to see) - I am having an internal battle of happiness for P05-18's well-deserved progress, and very green enviousness...it's not very pretty. ;) I'm telling myself that now that so many scrolls are at OSD, surely they'll prioritize P10, 11, and 12-17....right???
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CPT (Join to see) - You would think! You all deserve this more than anyone!
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan - Thank you, sir! The problem is that we all deserve it, so my envy is misplaced. :) Hopefully all of the FY 17 scrolls make it through soon, and the faster trend continues to pick up pace! P15-17 has certainly been waiting for a while as well...
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CPT (Join to see) - I just can't handle our day count either. #FedRec4life
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Wow I didnt see this person being our hero. But she just stood up for us.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVWA3oymymI&t=5s
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CPT (Join to see) WOW!! Thanks for posting this! I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
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Same here. I hope that is done not loose traction. I have been in a O4 slot since DEC 16 and while it hasn't been terrible, it helps to be in the correct grade for the position. Back pay would be nice but are unlikely so Ill hope for recovery of some TIG.
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I've been in my O4 slot since July 15, State Promotion date 13 April 2016. I'm ready for this to wrap up.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Roger that!
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This is what I was sent as of 24 January 2018. Obviously doesn't tell the days, but there are at least two over 300 (including D08-17 at 310 and P08-17 very close).
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This is great. Thank you for posting this info Chief. A lot of us on P01-18 through P06-18 and newer have been sitting at day 0 since our scroll was created in September/October without any update.
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Thanks for the update, I was getting a little discouraged sitting at day "0" for so long. At least I know my packet has moved a little! 05-18 by the way.
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I just received an email from the Command Chief WO of our state. He sent an email from our state Chief of Staff stating that there is grounds for ABCMR, which would correct your DOR.
The link to the ABCMR is as follows.
http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-app.html
The recommendation that was made is to submit the request for change back to the average days it should have taken you to get promoted.
Here is a link to the document that he sent that outlines the process and the average number of days it should take for the promotion to become effective.
Long story short WO's and 1LT's should be around 130 days total.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Of2lGtCoOEkwppNNSkRYSzheeYkJlCAI

***EDIT****
Adding the email from the Aide de Camp vice chief of staff DA with associated regs on the fedrec process.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzEG9rjtcCbNY3pUTDdMeklVWXU1WkVvMkdKdVI2OVpyMUtV
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Do you know if anyone has had success through the AMCMR process?
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I've not heard of anyone doing it yet. My guess is it will get just as lost as our FEDREC packets.
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I used the process to backdate my MAJ date of rank, and it was relatively painless. The only difference is that my promotion was delayed due to board results being thrown out and the process needing to be restarted. Which ended up pushing my original DOR past my max time in grade as a CPT.

Those of us in the UVP/FedRec process are for the most part are being promoted "early" and not at max time in grade. So I'm not sure how we demonstrate "harm" to the board and ask for relief.
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COL (Join to see) - would the harm be that it throws the timeline off on your entire career? I've been 1LT for 3 years, 8 months. Been commissioned for 5 years 10 months. I got promoted to CPT at the state level in June 2017, and as of Feb 9 2018 I'm still in fedrec purgatory. I turn 40 this year, and due to this fedrec delay (and the anticipated next one) there's pretty much no way I'm gonna make Maj before I retire. That directly affects what I get in retirement, and I'd call that negative impact harm. Oh, not to mention that I'm almost a year behind most of my peers I went to IBOLC with, thanks to fedrec purgatory.
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Just got word from NGB that P03-17 published today. Should be iPerm'd within 48 hours!!!
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Holy hell!!!!
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275 days...and still no FEDREC :/
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My scroll is P11-17. I'm at 230... guess I gotta wait another 3-6months.... Ugh
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Good prediction!!
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Hello all,
I apologize for being off the grid since my last post, which was exactly 30-days ago. Recently, I took a break from checking the ARNG G1 site and instead took to follow the well-known aphorism that 'a watched pot never boils'. Well, that, too, did not work because I checked the G1 site today and there is our scroll, growing mold from the coffee stains and sitting at the JAG. To use the analogy above, in this instance not only is the pot no longer boiling, but there is no water in there; it evaporated. In fact, the owner of the pot moved out of the house, which has since been torn down to make way for an IMAX theater and an 8-lane freeway with HOV lanes. All of these were constructed and opened in the time span of this FedRec process.
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Anyone on Scroll P21-19, Federal Recognition? Any updates, projections, comments?
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CPT Fire Marshal
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By the way Chief, these updates are awesome. Thank you all for taking the time!!
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