Posted on Jul 17, 2015
Why would it be good for the Army's Modular Handgun System but not the M9?
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This is off the shelf ammo why not jump all in.
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LCDR (Join to see) That is a good question. I am former Soldier, and Military Policeman, and have watched this through the years, in and out of the Army. I know we need focus on capability, NOT focusing on having a pistol that fits with NATO. How if NATO wants to fit they use what we use. We need:
1. Durable, and simple.
2. 1st Hit Knock Down power, or at list with a double tap - like the 45...
3. Large Magazine.
4. Safe.
I am not a gun expert, but there are many, and hopefully DOD is consulting with them. I am also not sure the combat pistol (PDW) and the law enforcement gun need to be same.
http://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/
1. Durable, and simple.
2. 1st Hit Knock Down power, or at list with a double tap - like the 45...
3. Large Magazine.
4. Safe.
I am not a gun expert, but there are many, and hopefully DOD is consulting with them. I am also not sure the combat pistol (PDW) and the law enforcement gun need to be same.
http://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/
FBI 9MM Justification, FBI Training Division
Below is a very interesting read from the FBI Training Division, FBI Academy, Quantico, VA. from a few months ago. This was a PDF file that was sent to me by a coworker. I want to emphasis this is ...
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COL Charles WilliamsI like frangible ammo for many reasons and would advocate it for use in both Law Enforcement and the military for
Better stooping power vs solid ball of equal caliber
Basically speaking it disintegrates upon first impact so in the case of LEO (who let lose a barrage every time they pull their weapon) this feature cuts down on collateral damage
You have a wider variety of rounds to better address your threat
There are lots of COTS rounds out there
I have it for all of my Handguns and luckily my last stint on active duty we owned EOD assets that were considered “special forces” although I hold a sticker definition of that term. The advantage was we could order and carry just about what we wanted. Yet, in an operational sense I have no data to support my theory.
Better stooping power vs solid ball of equal caliber
Basically speaking it disintegrates upon first impact so in the case of LEO (who let lose a barrage every time they pull their weapon) this feature cuts down on collateral damage
You have a wider variety of rounds to better address your threat
There are lots of COTS rounds out there
I have it for all of my Handguns and luckily my last stint on active duty we owned EOD assets that were considered “special forces” although I hold a sticker definition of that term. The advantage was we could order and carry just about what we wanted. Yet, in an operational sense I have no data to support my theory.
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I recall there is service life, dirt in open slide, and safety on slide issues with the M9. So cartridge aside, the question becomes do you buy more M9s and accept the above or move on? I'd suspect the result will be some 40 variation for more power while keeping the width of a double stack magazine reasonable. It will be interesting to see how the "modular" can help with small hands.
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