Posted on Feb 8, 2014
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Has anyone else noticed this recently? I have seen more than a few Soldiers in my own company decide to do this to get out of the barracks. It seems so ridiculous to me to see people let alone Soldiers pretty much say screw it to something that is supposed to be special and for life.<div><br></div><div>Any thoughts?</div>
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
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&nbsp; &nbsp;I truly wish that I could add something wise to this conversation, but I'm thinking, that my husband and I were much like many of the couples that get married quickly.<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; We knew each other for a week before he asked me to marry him, and I pretty much froze at that point, liike the proverbial 'Deer in the headlights.' &nbsp; On one hand, the second I saw him, I just KNEW it was HIM... and I know that makes no sense to most men, but its just the way I felt. &nbsp; We were married before a month was out, and 34 years later, we are still best friends, still laughing at each others jokes, and still as amazed at our luck at finding each other as we felt that first day.</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;I am sure that there were many who had the idea that ours was a marriage of &nbsp;opportunity, to get us out of the barracks, and I can't cast any stones when I'm living in that paticular glass house, so this is one weighty conversation that I won't be able to take part in, but I will be reading from the sidelines!</div>
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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<p>I had a roommate a long, long time ago, who had, what he called, a "financial marriage type relationship" with a friend of his from high school.&nbsp; He joined the Army and she went off to college.&nbsp; They were "married" and they split the Family Separation and other monetary benefits.&nbsp;&nbsp;He got out of the Army after his initial enlistment, went back to Iowa and they got a divorce.&nbsp; Back then I was very young and thought it was a "great idea."&nbsp; You get paid and there are no strings attached.&nbsp; Age and wisdom have changed that&nbsp;way of thinking.&nbsp; </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I&nbsp;personally and professionally do&nbsp;not promote this type of behavior.&nbsp; I will not get into a "sanctity of marriage" debate, but what is occurring is a defrauding of the government and theft of services, entitlements and benefits.</p>
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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Thank you for your inputSSgt Joseph Baptist. I was in the Army for a long time and I heard the statement that you mention numerous times when I was single living in the barracks. Not once did I ever consider, nor was it ever implied or specified, as an order. There have been many improvements for the quality of life for those that reside in the barracks. Now that I am retired, I can only hope the today’s NCOs are striving to continue to do those things to continue support their barracks personnel.
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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Unfortunately SSgt Joseph Baptist I believe that our experiences in service vary greatly. It is also unfortunate that called my integrity into question. I never wore “non-issue boots” nor would I nor any of my NCOs ever suggest otherwise. AR. 670-1 is very specific about authorized uniform wear. Again, I appreciate your comments. We clearly disagree on this topic based on our service experiences. Good luck in all of your endeavors.
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Screw that take what you can cause the government definitely doesn't take care of us.
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It's been happening for as long as Ive been in the Corps.  A lot of people are motivated by money with these contract marriages and end up losing money when that contracted spouse takes your half after it ends.  I couldn't marry until approved through the chain of command, that insured Marines were marrying for the right reasons.
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I don't agree with it, but, just by how the single soldiers are treated in the barracks, I can understand why they would. I didn't like getting my room inspected when I lived in the barracks. It was my "home," and I understand the reasons behind it, but, I could also see the frustration it brought when it was almost a weekly ordeal. There was no incentive if you did a great job with a clean room, then again, it is expected that you live in a clean environment. They sometimes live in deplorable conditions, and would have some place better off-post. Sometimes the rooms they live in should be condemned, but we still shove them into rooms. There can be blame thrown anywhere, but I understand why they do it. I may not agree with it, and I don't know how you could prove that it is fraud, but, I think that it has gotten to the time that we should be like the Air Force. After a certain amount of time at E-4, you are authorized to live off-post. I have lived in mold infested barracks rooms before, and the leadership knew about it, and they still moved us in. Single soldiers do get crapped on, and I know they do it to get out of the barracks.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Junior enlisted? I get proposed to once a month and I promise, it's not just juniors. 

Like SFC Rosenlund said, it's been happening for a while but I've never understood why, at least not in my company. We had the best barracks and had room inspections about three times a year so not much scrutiny from the CoC. 
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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SSG Blum, I really do appreciate your sincere concern and that's the right attitude to have. But it goes far deeper than what the current mandatory training addresses.
For example, I have a good friend, male SSG who saw it happening to me and he reported it. It nearly ended our friendship. He got chewed out by me after he reported it because, as in every experience I've ever had, it backfired severely on me. 
I'm not saying it's hopeless, Im just pointing out the fight is still very active and real. 
I'll also add that most men don't see it because they're typically not the ones being approached. (It's not an EO thing!) 
But that's a whole 'nother topic! 

I only brought up adultery because that could be a way to prove fraud in regards to a contractual marriage. You're right, social media bites people in the butt all the time!
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SSG Robert Blum
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E-6 in 5 years, Id have to say you earned the right to work in an environment free of that kind of behavior. I tell my females all the time, Demand respect, Make them see you as an equal, and they will.  My current two both kill the APFT, in the male standards, Out fire many males, and if somebody got like that with my little 5ft 3in CPL she would blast them. Its not the whole Army, so there is hope for your next duty assignment.

 

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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Thank you SSG Blum. 


But in my case, it has nothing to do with being seen as an equal whatsoever. Each person's case is different. I've been to Fort Jackson, Fort Benning, Fort Meade, Fort Riley, Fort Bragg, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan; I score above a 280 on my PT test and I fire expert. I've always been put in leadership positions. 



Please believe me when I tell you it is broader than a duty assignment and more difficult than putting a soldier on blast who behaves that way. I shouldn't have to say more than "no thank you" to a male. 

Im not saying you are saying that. I'm saying I have heard the answers from many folks out there but it is something all leaders will have to continuously fight for themselves and for their soldiers. 



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SSG Robert Blum
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
This thread is like 5 years old.

BTW- I referred to all of MY Soldiers, as Mine. Taking ownership of my responsibility to that Soldier. I’m not taking that soldier in the squad I’m in charge of to finance to fix their pay. I’m taking My Soldier to fix their pay.

BTW # 2- While it still happens, from time to time. This issue is not that hot of a topic anymore. Well at least it wasn’t when they handed me my DD-214 and it went in to the my files under. “ things that no longer concern me”
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1stLt William Jones
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Remember the good old days when you needed your CO to approve of you getting married if you were below E-5? Me either. But it was a good idea.
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Before I got married my PSG and PL counseled me.
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I been in for 8 years and never heard of this . My commander would not be able to stop me tho if I wanted to
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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I can see them ending badly.
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SGT(P) Jennifer Brande
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SSG DeSerio,

I served in the Army for 12 years and this was one of the most disgusting displays of scamming the system is when a soldier away from home for the first time in their lives enlists or commissions in the military and during Basic and AIT find out about the benefits of being married and decide to find another service member who they "fall madly in love" with their battle buddies and as soon as they finish training they tie the knot so that they can be assigned together and get housing together. I have also personally experienced soldiers who couldn't wait to finish training and made sure that they got pregnant before getting to their first duty station.

Soldiers would show up pregnant, which would put them on profile from the day they in-process and do less work, Pregnancy PT (unless they were sick, I always got a kick out of that one) oh and because they were pregnant, exempt from PT Tests and 24 hour duty as well.

I am a firm believer in the old army custom of allowing soldiers to marry only after having a meeting with the Company Commander who approves of this marriage being allowed to happen. Soldiers today see getting married/pregnant as their ticket out of all of the duty and requirements of being a soldier.

I personally would take this to the next level, going so far as to strictly prohibit soldiers from being allowed to get married or pregnant until they have completed at least 2 years of full duty. I have personally seen the scum of the earth being allowed into the military and then they do stuff like this and all of a sudden they are getting promoted to E-4 without doing anything. It drove me crazy to see the shammers of the military getting promoted above myself and other hard working soldiers for doing less and not holding up the values of military service.

Back then I was single and was not a huge fan of living in the barracks but I was not going to skip out on duty, work, PT or anything that was going to dishonor my service and hated seeing others not care or value their commitment at all.
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im Glad I don’t have an NCO like you working under me. I’d have a lot of IG complaints to deal with
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I think this forum has taken a turn away from what SSG DeSerio originally asked and instead of going on about contract marriages, people have dove into the category of married vs. single living conditions.

 

For those of you that have, I want to ask a couple of questions. You speak of deplorable living conditions and so forth in the barracks, what have you done about it? Please I know work order, work order, work order, nothing happened. There is a chain of command for a reason to get things fixed. Your final stop obvioulsy being the media as recently seen by conditions at Fort Polk, right?

 

But let's take this a step further, how many of you are still on your initial contract? Judging by the ranks of a lot of you, I would imagine not too many. So then comes the next question. If you didn't like the way you were being treated because you were single and the living conditions were horrible, THEN WHY DID YOU RE-ENLIST OR EXTEND?

 

I tell everyone, to include the kids I put in the Army; while you are inbetter yourself so you don't HAVE to stay in the Army if you don't want to.

 

On another note, if you thought you were being treated unequally as single vs. being married, did you or are you doing something about it? I am pretty sure, atleast in the Army I work in, there is something called an equal opportunity office.

 

Finally to that person, I know you are out there, who thinks they have done everything to try and right the ship, you haven't. There is a ladder to get every problem fixed. Sometimes does that involve IG, yes; sometimes does that involve the Installation Commander, yes; sometimes does that involve your Congress person, yes; and when all else fails, the media loves stories about how the military is failing it's troops.

 

I don't say any of this to try and take up for one side or the other of the marriage debate, but at some point you need to challenge the man and make him accountable for his actions.

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LTC Executive Officer To Afc A Co S G 3/5/7
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Doesn't help when the OMA budget is slashed 30%.  Have to prioritize installation maintenance.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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The BOSS president on your installation is usually a great resource as well for submitting complaints. 
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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Major Apticar - Was happening in the 70s also. 
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SPC Dan Goforth
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SFC Rosenlund, I know it seems like a complaint fest, but really that is one of the key motivators for single soldiers jumping at any chance to get out of the barracks.  I've learned that barracks really have some nice advantages compared to living off post, such as a reduced commute, and barracks are easier to maintain on an individual level compared to something with multiple rooms and a yard, two things I'm actually looking forward to.  Our complaints are about what incentivizes contract marriages.  Remove the incentive, and the number of contract marriages will drop.
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I can tell you it isn't just Junior Enlisted Soldiers.  I know personaly that it also envolves Junior and Senior Officers...I had to restore email data from an 0-5 (single - divorced) who was in the process of a contract marriage with a Russian woman - didn't break the law, but questionable...But it does happen across all ranks..

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