Posted on Feb 2, 2018
Will I be ordered to go active if I don't ship to basic?
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My dep contract says I'll be ordered to active duty if I don't show up to ship what's the chances of that? And can I be released if I only signed my first contract
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First of all yes I am in the Dep program (future soldiers program) I go to drill but not with my assigned unit until after basic and I will have to sign a second contract when I return to meps to ship out I've already confirmed that with a friend who has returned from AIT with that being said do comment if you don't know if I can be released from my first contract by speaking with commander of my unit
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SPC Erich Guenther
NO......Your NOT in a DEP program. You really need to research what the difference is between the National Guard RSP and the Army DEP program. Here is a link for you to do what you should have done before signing a Enlistment Contract. Your a full time member of the National Guard now, you have a military obligation there is no DEP for the National Guard.......
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement - Information Papers - ARNG Recruit Sustainment Program
2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement
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SPC Erich Guenther
Note this sentence in particular: "ARNG Soldiers are accessed during the initial MEPS processing and are on active, paid drilling status while awaiting their IET ship date. They drill with their state’s RSP until they depart for basic combat training (BCT), and then join their actual unit of assignment when they are qualified for their military occupational specialty (MOS)." Accessed means your a National Guardsman for your state right now. I used to work for HQ USAREC (Army Recruiting Command) as a contractor a while back. The Recruiting process has changed since then.......the Accessions process has not. Your first contract is with the National Guard, your second contract is with the Regular Army for training in your MOS. For an Active Duty bound Future Soldier the First Contract is for the DEP, the second contract is for Active Duty. See the difference now? You miss SHIP DATE and it is up to the Recruiting Command in conjunction with your state NG command what to do with you. Nobody can predict what will happen there. Typically with a Regular Army DEP LOSS (person who misses ship date) they write the person off and ban them from ever enlisting again. National Guard is different as it is via both the state and Regular Army both. Someone has to pay for the training slot you burned if they do not fill it.
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You don't have a DEP contract if your National Guard and your not in the DEP program. Your officially in your State National Guard with your first contract signing. So yes you already have a military obligation.
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I went DEP back in 83. only difference was I went active duty for 11 years. You should be active duty for basic training anyways. I believe once you've completed training they release you back to the reserves or guard unit. I don't remember the whole process but you will be issued a DD 214 then once your AIT school is available you become active duty for training and same process is repeated like Basic. It's been a few years but couldn't have changed that much
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SPC Erich Guenther
It is different now. New NG Recruits go into the NG RSP which is a special unit where they are really not assigned to a NG unit and where they drill with other new recruits until after they return from Basic Training. After Basic Training they are sent to a real NG unit. Reason for this change was the NG Soldiers were sometimes scaring off new recruits with their "war" stories (not always related to war) and recruiting losses were high for the NG. Other major reason why is some NG units did not prepare or lead their new recruits properly prior to shipping to basic training. So this was an attempt to reduce recruiting losses and training losses by keeping the new soldiers out of the units until they were trained in their MOS.
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SPC Erich Guenther
Here is how it works for ARNG:
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html
https://www.army.mil/aps/08/information_papers/sustain/ARNG_Recruit_Sustainment_Program.html

2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement - Information Papers - ARNG Recruit Sustainment Program
2008 U.S. Army Posture Statement
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SPC Erich Guenther
PVT (Join to see) - Do you really think the National Guard wants you if you don't want to be there? If they do it is a pretty messed up NG. You should tell your Recruiter that your no longer interested before you burn a training slot..........which tends to pizz people off.
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I'm in a similar boat, haven't left for basic but want to cancel my contract to go active duty and am being threatened with arrest.
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