Posted on May 10, 2016
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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At some point, there will be a lawsuit...and the Citadel will lose and they will have to change their policy.
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I doubt they will reverse their decision or be required to. The Hijab would not be able to be properly worn in uniform and not be able to take away from the uniform appearance.

If you want to go to a military styled college, there is a certain standard you are required to conform to. If you do not want to conform to that standard (or set of standards) you can always go to a Civilian, who gives a s#!t styled college. The education is basically the same, but in the civilian one, you can smoke dope, act stupid, and fail without having to deal with your choices for a little while.
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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Its seems quite simple, right?
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I thought so, but the Civilian Mindset and the Generation Gap seems to be the prevailing reasons why these fools start shit without thinking it through.
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SSgt Bob Mobbs
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Well said and to the point. Sometimes you need to make sacrifices to your personal life wishes to meet your goal.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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CPT Aaron Kletzing wow, this is new for sure. Regulation is regulation, I suppose, there is always a loophole!
According to page 46 of the U.S. Army Regulation AR 600-20, religious headgear may be worn while in the Army uniform if the headgear is subdued in color, can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and does not interfere with the wear or proper functioning of protective clothing or equipment. The other service branches have similar policies, based on Dept. of Defense Directive 1300.17, Accommodation of Religious Practices within the Military Services.
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SFC J Fullerton
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As a private institution, are they bound by military regulations?
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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Well I need someone to bless my du rag lol.
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SPC J.R. McCarthy
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SFC J Fullerton - They are a public institution, and Army regs have no hold unless it's the Army's ROTC on site. But there day to day is all on the School rules
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Will the Citadel have to reverse its hijab decision?
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To my knowledge, the Citadel is a private institution and not bound by DoD or Army regulations. Unless they receive federal funding, they have the right to enforce their own dress codes. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
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SSG Buddy Kemper
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Roger that, SFC J Fullerton . The Federal bucks will be what it hinges on, in my opinion.
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"The Citadel is a coeducational, comprehensive, public, four-year institution whose primary undergraduate student body comprises approximately 1,900 members of the Corps of Cadets, all of whom reside on campus. "
I'm sure the government will be in there at some point to allow this clothing item.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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If the govt cannot force the change an accreditation body could project itself into the issue.
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SPC J.R. McCarthy
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It is a public school, which if someone pushes hard enough Freedom of religion may come into play. Or the citadel can drop public funding I suppose
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In my opinion, No. The Citadel is a private school and one of the requirements is uniformity. But the liberals will try to push their agenda anyway.
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They are a public school.
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MSgt John McGowan
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1stSgt. As you know when a door is opened there is no way to know what all will come in.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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Following the current trend toward accommodation, they will likely have to reverse themselves or suffer a loss of federal funding, protests, pillory in the press, and IRS audits. The federal government no longer values selflessness, honor, or duty. They will drive a reversal because there is no value in subordinating your own norms, values and desires to the norms and values of your nation or your unit. It is all about me...I define my own reality, my own rule-set, and if I can find a way to become a "protected class" in order to force my rule-set on others, I will.
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SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc
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Exactly!
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The Citadel is a public school, it says so right on the front page of their website. They have to be public in order to receive federal funding for ROTC. If ordered to let the student wear a hijab, they will have to comply.
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SPC J.R. McCarthy
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They have had the standard for 175 years, I want to see what happens and maybe they might drop public funding but I doubt that
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I hope they do. How sad and unfortunate to deny the skills and knowledge that these ladies may have brought to the table. I know they call it the "Uniformed" services but I do believe in a degree of flexibility in any system.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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If it is Worthwhile anything can be Waivered. I think of my Case. I tired to Join the Army but they wouldn't take me at 6'5" 129 lbs. Navy had no trouble waivering me and 21 years later I retired.
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Flexibility, like not wearing the Hijab while in a Uniform?
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COL Jonathan Cohen
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The school shouldn't change its decision but if it does, it will lose face by backing down to pressure. Muslims have attended and are attending the school and that is not an issue. When someone wants to be different and not be part of the whole, that is a disruption and should not be allowed to happen (not to mention the uniform policy has been in place for years). The school is not saying she can't be a Muslim...she can and she will be allowed to observe her faith. The hijab issue is indicative of a larger American problem. People used to come to America to become Americans and to be part of the melting pot experience. Many people today have diverse backgrounds and identities and want to be recognized for their difference versus wanting to be recognized as Americans. Be who you want to be whether that is Black, Hispanic, Gay, Transgender, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic...it doesn't matter but be an American first and recognize that being part of the larger good is just as important if not more important than identifying first with that which sets you apart...just my two cents.
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If they are going to embrace their religion more than their country during school time, who says they won't do the same during war time?
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