Posted on Feb 27, 2021
Will the insurrectionist retirees/veterans lose their VA/Service benefits?
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Since military benefits are lost on day 61 of a criminal conviction, will we finally see the retired and/or separated insurrectionist veterans lose their retirements, GI/9-11 bills, and VA benefits and stop them leeching off a government they wanted to overturn in the first place?
In addition, will we see their respective services follow precedent and subject those retirees to Court Martials, as they are still bound by UCMJ after retirement?
In addition, will we see their respective services follow precedent and subject those retirees to Court Martials, as they are still bound by UCMJ after retirement?
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Edited 3 y ago
Posted 3 y ago
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Why would you post something clearly politically motivated on these forums? The specific words you used highlight your views in particular. This is not professional by any means.
If convicted and institutionalized the benefits will stop on the 61st day unless there is a family member. If there is a family member such as a wife or husband or child that the V.A. s paying the vet for then there is apportionment for them until the vet is known to the V.A. as being released from confinement.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
OK, so they can still receive whatever payments are due to them as "beneficiaries" regardless of the "sponsor's" legal/judicial status?
With the past and present Congress and Senate who want to socialize and turn the US into a Communist state where only the "Progressives" have power the answer would be yes. However, the Veteran/Retiree should not lose any benefits. They earned them. Wait a minute, what benefits? Traveling 100 miles to a VA hospital who is treating you for something a local hospital can do? Providing exchange and commissary benefits to retirees--heck, Walmart is cheaper. Providing "free medical" care to the retiree and spouse? Providing a check to the retiree what they must pay federal income tax on.
MSgt Gilbert Jones
SMSgt Wilson, they should have kept their assess at home then. If they were just there demonstrating that's one thing, but when they crossed the barriers and went up the steps to the Capital then they deserve whatever happens to them.
SMSgt Bob Wilson
Gil, two things: [1] in the US people have the right to demonstrate. [2] People must obey the law. We agree; however, in America, in the 21st Century, we have all segments of society who, for whatever reason [some good, some bad] want to riot, damage, or destroy other peoples property. To answer Rector's question, NO, the Veteran/Retiree should not lose any benefits.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
SMSgt Bob Wilson - we obviously disagree, but I thank you for answering my question.
Have a great day.
Have a great day.
SMSgt Bob Wilson
You are correct. We have differences; however, that's what America is all about. In America we can discuss and state our opinions without agreeing. Enjoy.
After reading all the comments, I have come to the conclusion that input from a heavy hitter JAG (such as an AD/Retired JAG Officer who has participated in these types of cases) or AD/Retired Military Judge should step in and set the record straight. Too many opinions in this thread are in conflict here.
SMSgt Bob Wilson
Jag[?] jag
1: to move in jerks
2: Prick, Thrust
3: to cut indentations into
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1: to move in jerks
2: Prick, Thrust
3: to cut indentations into
I recommend a law firm which is superb--Dewy, Cheatem, and Howe. They all served in the military.
This platform is about veterans and active duty members. Many could be dependent or spouses. Any member that joins a militia or tags along to desecrate our constitutional rights and laws are in the wrong and will lose benefits if incarcerated for a felony.
The question lacks ANY understanding of our system of law in that the person who wrote it has all of people involved guilty just because he or she says so.
To that person:
What are YOUR qualifications for defining them as insurrectionists? What did YOU personally witness and what are your legal or law enforcement credentials to make a determination as to the crime supposedly committed?
Fundamentally, where do you come off asking us, based on your personal OPINION, how those folks should be punished even before any charges are specifically made? Go back snd read your Constitution.
To that person:
What are YOUR qualifications for defining them as insurrectionists? What did YOU personally witness and what are your legal or law enforcement credentials to make a determination as to the crime supposedly committed?
Fundamentally, where do you come off asking us, based on your personal OPINION, how those folks should be punished even before any charges are specifically made? Go back snd read your Constitution.
Yeah all those thousands of insurrectionest that were in body armor and heavily armed?? And the only shot fired was from an anonymous officer killing an unarmed protester?
Guess I’m missing something.
Guess I’m missing something.
SSG Robert Perrotto
Had this been a BLM protest where an unarmed protestor was shot and killed by LE - cities the media, race grifters, and progressive liberals would be encouraging more cities to true insurrection.
This was far from an insurection. Video, which the lame stream media will not show, shows where the Capitol Police were actually letting many of the protestors into and showing them around the Capitol Building. It is the same police along with the mayor of D.C that refusrs to release the name of the cop that shot and killed Ashlie Babbit that day, who was a fellow Veteran. Also where the lame stream media is pushing the bull s**t where that one officer died from injuries received, the medical examiner released that he died due to a massive stroke. There was no evidence that he was struck in the head with a fire extenguiser or other heavy object as being reported.
You need to quit watching the communist news network, communist broadcast system, msnbc, abc and such. The First Amendment gives the people the RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, THE RIGHT TO PROTEST, not the right to loot, a.ssault, a.nd burn down businesses and such as what happened in anumber of cities across the country last year and also earlier thus year. It does not give anyone the right to assault others such as what antifa and blm have done.
You need to quit watching the communist news network, communist broadcast system, msnbc, abc and such. The First Amendment gives the people the RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, THE RIGHT TO PROTEST, not the right to loot, a.ssault, a.nd burn down businesses and such as what happened in anumber of cities across the country last year and also earlier thus year. It does not give anyone the right to assault others such as what antifa and blm have done.
It is noticeable that the murderer of Ashli Babbitt, USAF Veteran, has not been brought forth nor charged. It appears the "government" has taken lessons from the 1930s German National Socialist Party, The 1930s Soviet Socialist Republics and 1950s Chinese Communist party. Strange how all 3 parties are nationalist, socialist or communist and use media and secret police tactics in the same ways. It is probable the novel 1984 is wonderful to a lot of the modern educated functional morons, also.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
The VA sends them regularly, can't forget them.
Perhaps it is time for you to start taking yours?
Perhaps it is time for you to start taking yours?
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Understanding the legal and potential benefits loss of those military personnel that took part in the insurrection is both helpful as a general piece of information, and as a potential deterrent for those thinking about doing something like it in the future.
Have a great day.
Very literally u and most of the demoncrats, all of the rino's *u know what a rino is? A demoncrat that committed campaign and voter fraud running as a party member they really are not. U know like Sanders. Runs as an Independent when its for any position below President. Then he runs as the lowest scum, a DemoncRAT!!!
Bet u didn't know that when Sanders filed to run for President last time he was really confident that he would not win as he filed as a Demoncrat Presidential Candidate so he filed for the next time his senate seat came up for election, AS AN INDEPENDENT!!!
U demoncrats didn't even follow the law or the Constitution on what is an impeachable offense or the committees that were to be used. And a demoncrat has never moved as fast as they did to illegally go after a former President and it was solely a Hate Crime!! To try to be able to keep Trump from running again. Constitutionally KID U and most demoncrats and all rino's and their staffs have ONE charge and conviction and punishment that should have already happened to u.