Posted on Sep 28, 2015
Will The Republican Party Continue To Attack The Country With Boehner Leaving?
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"John Boehner was a terrible, very bad, no good speaker of the House. Under his leadership, Republicans pursued an unprecedented strategy of scorched-earth obstructionism, which did immense damage to the economy and undermined America’s credibility around the world.
Still, things could have been worse. And under his successor they almost surely will be worse. Bad as Mr. Boehner was, he was just a symptom of the underlying malady, the madness that has consumed his party.
For me, Mr. Boehner’s defining moment remains what he said and did as House minority leader in early 2009, when a newly inaugurated President Obama was trying to cope with the disastrous recession that began under his predecessor.
There was and is a strong consensus among economists that a temporary period of deficit spending can help mitigate an economic slump. In 2008 a stimulus plan passed Congress with bipartisan support, and the case for a further stimulus in 2009 was overwhelming. But with a Democrat in the White House, Mr. Boehner demanded that policy go in the opposite direction, declaring that “American families are tightening their belts. But they don’t see government tightening its belt.” And he called for government to “go on a diet.”
This was know-nothing economics, and incredibly irresponsible at a time of crisis; not long ago it would have been hard to imagine a major political figure making such a statement. Did Mr. Boehner actually believe what he was saying? Was he just against anything Mr. Obama was for? Or was he engaged in deliberate sabotage, trying to block measures that would help the economy because a bad economy would be good for Republican electoral prospects?
We’ll probably never know for sure, but those remarks set the tone for everything that followed. The Boehner era has been one in which Republicans have accepted no responsibility for helping to govern the country, in which they have opposed anything and everything the president proposes. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/opinion/paul-krugman-the-blackmail-caucus-aka-the-republican-party.html?_r=0
Still, things could have been worse. And under his successor they almost surely will be worse. Bad as Mr. Boehner was, he was just a symptom of the underlying malady, the madness that has consumed his party.
For me, Mr. Boehner’s defining moment remains what he said and did as House minority leader in early 2009, when a newly inaugurated President Obama was trying to cope with the disastrous recession that began under his predecessor.
There was and is a strong consensus among economists that a temporary period of deficit spending can help mitigate an economic slump. In 2008 a stimulus plan passed Congress with bipartisan support, and the case for a further stimulus in 2009 was overwhelming. But with a Democrat in the White House, Mr. Boehner demanded that policy go in the opposite direction, declaring that “American families are tightening their belts. But they don’t see government tightening its belt.” And he called for government to “go on a diet.”
This was know-nothing economics, and incredibly irresponsible at a time of crisis; not long ago it would have been hard to imagine a major political figure making such a statement. Did Mr. Boehner actually believe what he was saying? Was he just against anything Mr. Obama was for? Or was he engaged in deliberate sabotage, trying to block measures that would help the economy because a bad economy would be good for Republican electoral prospects?
We’ll probably never know for sure, but those remarks set the tone for everything that followed. The Boehner era has been one in which Republicans have accepted no responsibility for helping to govern the country, in which they have opposed anything and everything the president proposes. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/28/opinion/paul-krugman-the-blackmail-caucus-aka-the-republican-party.html?_r=0
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Capt Walter Miller - The Republican Party does not attack the country, they attack the Democrat "leadership" (and that's an oxymoron, for sure) and its progressive/socialist, immoral, corrupt, and unethical policies that are destroying our country.
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
Even as a millionaire you can deduct so much from your taxes by claiming all kinds of expenses related to your job, business, or property. If you pay more than 20% of your income in taxes with a 1.2 million annual income, you need to get a better accountant.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
Cpl Tou Lee Yang - I pay what I owe, nothing more , nothing less. I take the deductions I am authorized to take and I do not play games with questionable deductions, tax havens, etc. That is why I am incensed when people say we do not pay our fair share.
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
Jean, you can say whatever you want about yourself paying your fair share. But I seriously doubt it's in the 30% range like teachers and bus drivers. The truth of the matter is, even Warren Buffet said he pays less than his secretary. Who are we to believe? You, a self proclaimed 1% or a verified 1%?
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
Cpl Tou Lee Yang - Not sure what your definition of "verified" is... Let's just say that I surpass the government's definition of the top 1%. And, yes, the tax I paid was in the 30% range. Again, how much of my money that I make do you think I should give the government? Do you think that 30% or so is not enough when almost 50% pay no taxes and the top 5% pay 95% of the taxes paid?
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Capt Walter Miller
SGM Steve Wettstein - Oh dear. Personal insults are the only response.
As I always say, sheep should certainly be treated like sheep.
Walt
As I always say, sheep should certainly be treated like sheep.
Walt
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Capt Walter Miller - This is why nobody is willing to engage you in conversation or take you seriously. SSG Palmer, who is a Democrat by his own words, in another post states that he finds certain Republicans to be reasonable and your only response is to fire back with "they are particularly horrid".
So I'll ask you. What is your business on RP? I have yet to read a single comment, or discussion you have started or partaken in that was constructive to a conversation and not inflammatory.
Your constant need to attack people you don't agree with or make derogatory remarks about those people who differ from you ideologically only points to your own massive inferiority complex and intolerance of other people. Your need to start "conversations" with the most inflammatory subject lines and obnoxious drivel that supports your party line beliefs, is not meant to open the mind, but rather to force it shut and start a closed minded argument. What exactly does this accomplish again?
Finally, on a personal note, I find you to be an incredibly disrespectful individual, thoroughly incapable of intellectual thought that does not toe the party line, who goes around speaking in a derogatory manner to all who don't agree with you in every facet, all the while never looking past your own blinders and calling others "sheep". Now, I apologize in advance if you have an actual undiagnosed developmental disability up there in your brain, but that type of thought is something to be expected from a person in the 5th grade at most.
So I'll ask you. What is your business on RP? I have yet to read a single comment, or discussion you have started or partaken in that was constructive to a conversation and not inflammatory.
Your constant need to attack people you don't agree with or make derogatory remarks about those people who differ from you ideologically only points to your own massive inferiority complex and intolerance of other people. Your need to start "conversations" with the most inflammatory subject lines and obnoxious drivel that supports your party line beliefs, is not meant to open the mind, but rather to force it shut and start a closed minded argument. What exactly does this accomplish again?
Finally, on a personal note, I find you to be an incredibly disrespectful individual, thoroughly incapable of intellectual thought that does not toe the party line, who goes around speaking in a derogatory manner to all who don't agree with you in every facet, all the while never looking past your own blinders and calling others "sheep". Now, I apologize in advance if you have an actual undiagnosed developmental disability up there in your brain, but that type of thought is something to be expected from a person in the 5th grade at most.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
LOL The Capt. Meaning no dis-respect to him, FAR left loons...I mean the hard core left loons...dont mix well with veterans. we tend to be middle right people
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PO2 Mark Saffell - Oh ok haha. I was about to go all "shots fired" on you too hahaha
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PO2 Mark Saffell
Im betting he isnt a ShellBack... He had to have a really bad time in as a junior officer with his slanted views on the world.
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Your initial paragraph betrays the true intent of this post.
You do NOT want an intellectual, rational discussion - you're either looking for like-minded people to support your position, or you're looking for a fight.
This post is intellectually dishonest drivel masquerading as coherent thought. If the post was identical, but written against a democrat / liberal, I would post this exact reply.
Disappointing and humiliating. The only reason I took time to reply is that you are an officer. Dear God in heaven, you should know better...
You do NOT want an intellectual, rational discussion - you're either looking for like-minded people to support your position, or you're looking for a fight.
This post is intellectually dishonest drivel masquerading as coherent thought. If the post was identical, but written against a democrat / liberal, I would post this exact reply.
Disappointing and humiliating. The only reason I took time to reply is that you are an officer. Dear God in heaven, you should know better...
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Capt Walter Miller
And also PO2 Erickson --- I can't help but notice, you make no answer at all.
You bleat like a sheep. The GOP must love voters like you.
Walt
You bleat like a sheep. The GOP must love voters like you.
Walt
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PO2 Steven Erickson
Capt Walter Miller, one does not provide an answer to a questioner who does not want an answer that differs from the presumption of the question.
Calling people names who disagree with your ideas... Wow. Such an enlightened position.
Do you think... maybe... that's why you can't get any converts to these ideas?
Thanks, but no thanks. We're done here.
SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
TSgt Hunter Logan
SFC Mark Merino
Calling people names who disagree with your ideas... Wow. Such an enlightened position.
Do you think... maybe... that's why you can't get any converts to these ideas?
Thanks, but no thanks. We're done here.
SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
TSgt Hunter Logan
SFC Mark Merino
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Capt Walter Miller
PO2 Steven Erickson - Oh Lord above, could you possibly be more lame?
Go ahead and post your hypothesis for the lurkers then.
Walt
Go ahead and post your hypothesis for the lurkers then.
Walt
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And these are the same people who hold up Nancy Pelosi as an example to emulate? Hilarious...
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
Capt Walter Miller - No, Captain, he had sex with THOSE WOMEN... multiple. Of course, in his defense, he is married to Hillary.
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SPC Nathan Freeman
Sir that is the only intelligent thing I've seen you write. (with all due respect)(which is amounting to less and less)
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RP Members, please do not feed this troll by responding to him. His tactics are blatant in every post he makes. Please don't feed the hate by giving him your time and attention.
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Capt Walter Miller
This is from the Wiki done -by- the Marine Corps:
United States Navy[edit]
Main article: United States Navy
"The Marine Corps' counterpart under the Department of the Navy is the United States Navy. As a result, the Navy and Marine Corps have a close relationship, more so than with other branches of the military. Whitepapers and promotional literature have commonly used the phrase "Navy-Marine Corps Team",[86][87] or refer to "the Naval Service". Both the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) and Commandant of the Marine Corps report directly to the Secretary of the Navy."
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This is from the National Defense Act of 1947:
"The United States Marine Corps, within the Department of the Navy, shall include land combat and service forces and such aviation as may be organic therein. The Marine Corps shall he organized, trained, and equipped to provide fleet marine forces of combined arms, together with supporting air components, for service with the fleet in the seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and for the conduct of such land operations as may be essential to the prosecution of a naval campaign. It shall be the duty of the Marine Corps to develop, in coordination with the Army and the Air Force, those phases of amphibious operations which pertain to the tactics, technique, and equipment employed by landing forces. In addition, the Marine Corps shall provide detachments and organizations for service on armed vessels of the Navy, shall provide security detachments for the protection of naval properly at naval stations and bases, and shall perform such other duties as the President may direct: Provided, that such additional duties shall not detract from or interfere with the operations for which the Marine Corps is primarily organized. - See more at: https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/marine-corps-and-national-security-act#sthash.F1WxJ51B.dpuf
Under statute, like I said, the Navy and Marine Corps are equal and fall under the purview of the Department of the Navy.
Walt
United States Navy[edit]
Main article: United States Navy
"The Marine Corps' counterpart under the Department of the Navy is the United States Navy. As a result, the Navy and Marine Corps have a close relationship, more so than with other branches of the military. Whitepapers and promotional literature have commonly used the phrase "Navy-Marine Corps Team",[86][87] or refer to "the Naval Service". Both the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) and Commandant of the Marine Corps report directly to the Secretary of the Navy."
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This is from the National Defense Act of 1947:
"The United States Marine Corps, within the Department of the Navy, shall include land combat and service forces and such aviation as may be organic therein. The Marine Corps shall he organized, trained, and equipped to provide fleet marine forces of combined arms, together with supporting air components, for service with the fleet in the seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and for the conduct of such land operations as may be essential to the prosecution of a naval campaign. It shall be the duty of the Marine Corps to develop, in coordination with the Army and the Air Force, those phases of amphibious operations which pertain to the tactics, technique, and equipment employed by landing forces. In addition, the Marine Corps shall provide detachments and organizations for service on armed vessels of the Navy, shall provide security detachments for the protection of naval properly at naval stations and bases, and shall perform such other duties as the President may direct: Provided, that such additional duties shall not detract from or interfere with the operations for which the Marine Corps is primarily organized. - See more at: https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/marine-corps-and-national-security-act#sthash.F1WxJ51B.dpuf
Under statute, like I said, the Navy and Marine Corps are equal and fall under the purview of the Department of the Navy.
Walt
The Marine Corps and the National Security Act | Marine Corps Association
The Marine Corps Association is the professional association for ALL Marines. The MCA publishes Leatherneck Magazine and the Marine Corps Gazette for the professional development and connectivity to the Corps for Marines - present, past, and future. The MCA also owns The Marine Shop, which supplies all the necessary uniforms and accessories for Marines, as well as other USMC products and gear.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
Capt Walter Miller - You are very hard-headed. I fully understand. It is apparent that you do not. Read what you posted ..."The United States Marine Corps, within the Department of the Navy..."
Let's look at this in a simplistic manner. I have a sister and three brothers. We are all in the Burleson family. While we are all separate people, equal in every way, we are still all Burlesons. We are not Millers or any other family.
Similarly, the Department of the Navy (akin to the Burleson family in my example above) has two separate branches - the Navy and the Marine Corps (akin to my sister and brothers in the example above). While they are separate and equal, they are still Navy (akin to Burleson in the example above). I don't see what is so hard to understand about that.
Again, as with most things you and I discuss, we have beat this dead horse enough.
Let's look at this in a simplistic manner. I have a sister and three brothers. We are all in the Burleson family. While we are all separate people, equal in every way, we are still all Burlesons. We are not Millers or any other family.
Similarly, the Department of the Navy (akin to the Burleson family in my example above) has two separate branches - the Navy and the Marine Corps (akin to my sister and brothers in the example above). While they are separate and equal, they are still Navy (akin to Burleson in the example above). I don't see what is so hard to understand about that.
Again, as with most things you and I discuss, we have beat this dead horse enough.
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SN Greg Wright
LTC Bink Romanick - Colonel, I don't call him a troll because he disagrees. He himself, in another thread, stated that he derives enjoyment from annoying people here on RP. That's the very definition of a troll on the internet.
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"For me, Mr. Boehner’s defining moment remains what he said and did as House minority leader in early 2009, when a newly inaugurated President Obama was trying to cope with the disastrous recession that began under his predecessor. "
Pssst! The recession began while the DEMOCRATS held congress while controlling the purse strings.
Remember these parts of the US Constitution? I will concede that Bush signed the bill, but the DEMOCRAT held congress had to deliver it to the oval office.
Article. I. Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Article. II. Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Pssst! The recession began while the DEMOCRATS held congress while controlling the purse strings.
Remember these parts of the US Constitution? I will concede that Bush signed the bill, but the DEMOCRAT held congress had to deliver it to the oval office.
Article. I. Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Article. II. Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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Cpl (Join to see)
Pesky facts are still facts! January 4, 2007, Pelosi stood as Speaker of the House and January 3, 2007 Reid was anointed to Senate Majority Leader.
Rule No 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
Rule No 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
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Capt Walter Miller
Cpl (Join to see) - You can't blame the Congress when it is controlled by the Democratic Party and a Republican is president and then blame a Democratic president when the Republican Party controls Congress.
But I know you won't stop such dishonesty.
Walt
But I know you won't stop such dishonesty.
Walt
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Just an observation from an old man. When one needs to resort to name calling, one usually has no real points to make. I think that is very true in this case.
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Capt (Join to see)
Another observation from an old man. Anyone who sees only one side of an issue sees nothing but his own biased and usually erroneous opinion.
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I agree that Boehner was a terrible speaker of the house and so called leader of the Republican Party but disagree if you think that the Republican Party as a whole wanted to have an obstructionist strategy. They had no choice but to object to the socialist policies of the current administration. If you think that increasing our deficit more than any other administration to a point of almost no return is a good thing for the country, I also disagree. A welfare state that is going every day will destroy our country just like it destroyed the other socialist/communist experiments throughout history. I hope that the USA can get back on the right track soon.
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Capt Walter Miller That's a very good question. The positions of both parties hurt the people of the United States. Politicians are great at pointing the finger at each other because blaming the other guy (party) is much easier than finding a real solution. Imagine if instead of pointing fingers they actually set about finding a solution. They say outrageous things to get huge headlines to distract us from more important issues. It's not to their benefit to solve these problems because solving the problems will hurt their own pockets/the parties themselves. What about solving the problem of our nation's energy dependence. Subsidies to support these programs are far fewer than those to support fossil fuels, given the fact that between "1994 and 2009 the U.S. oil and gas industries received a cumulative $446.96 billion in subsidies, compared to just $5.93 billion given to renewables in those years. (The nuclear industry, by the way. received $185 billion in federal subsidies between 1947 and 1999.)" They want to keep money flowing to these because they're huge contributors to the parties, Ever think about what is really going on when the nation is fighting over historical symbols and race division.
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An excellent point, but of course why change a system when it benefits you? These people are only out fighting imaginary culture wars to distract us from being fleeced by their friends.
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SSG Warren Swan - No not because I'm an Officer, yes because I have half a brain. ;-)
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