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Posted on Dec 11, 2015
Will this help promoting Solar power for residential sector??
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This is going to make a lot of trouble for Power company, either they face pressure to "credit" back the power or people will start living off grid. There are already bussiness that provide solar power panel free, you just pay the "electricity" to the companies that install it like paying your bills to the regular power companies.
I always believe solar power will not work in industrial scale, it will only work in residential scale in a massive way. What do you all think?
http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/11/googles-project-sunroof-now-tells-more-homeowners-how-well-solar-would-work-on-their-roofs/#.y98igdd:yubC
I always believe solar power will not work in industrial scale, it will only work in residential scale in a massive way. What do you all think?
http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/11/googles-project-sunroof-now-tells-more-homeowners-how-well-solar-would-work-on-their-roofs/#.y98igdd:yubC
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The solar power thing is all smoke and mirrors. Here is why,
The cost of the system is far more than the cost of the energy it will produce, the average panel has a life expectancy of about 20 years , the performance degrades over time.
The energy companies are under a mandate to have a percentage of renewable energy in place or face hefty fines, the government subsidizes almost every project that sells back to the power companies, the installing company gets a benefit for using unskilled labor the investors get major tax breaks, in the end it cost the tax payers,
There are a few instances where solar is a viable option but right now its just a feel good program that does nothing but line the pockets of those with mony already.
I have been involves in solar for a pretty long while, think about it this way, if it was really worth it you would be doing it without all the incentives.
Oh and the Green power thing is a joke, making those panels creates more pollution than they will ever off set and to work at night you need large tocic battery banks
The cost of the system is far more than the cost of the energy it will produce, the average panel has a life expectancy of about 20 years , the performance degrades over time.
The energy companies are under a mandate to have a percentage of renewable energy in place or face hefty fines, the government subsidizes almost every project that sells back to the power companies, the installing company gets a benefit for using unskilled labor the investors get major tax breaks, in the end it cost the tax payers,
There are a few instances where solar is a viable option but right now its just a feel good program that does nothing but line the pockets of those with mony already.
I have been involves in solar for a pretty long while, think about it this way, if it was really worth it you would be doing it without all the incentives.
Oh and the Green power thing is a joke, making those panels creates more pollution than they will ever off set and to work at night you need large tocic battery banks
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MAJ (Join to see)
Same thing with wind power, they never pay back the original investment. Solar is good for minor electricity usages in remote areas, aside from that it's only worthwhile if the Government pay's the start up costs. Better to keep coal clean for a fraction of the cost. Or better yet, just turn off your air conditioner. (somehow liberals never want to take that step)
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PO3 (Join to see) Terrestrial world-wide widespread solar power is a pipe dream. It'll never happen. Too unreliable, too expensive to start up. Mirrors in space (on the moon, say), are entirely viable. But until they crack Fission, Fusion is going to remain the best option to power civilization.
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Breeder reactor's are the blast from the past future. They can eliminate nearly all radioactivity from Uranium giving significantly better yields from the fuel while eliminating almost all the waste.
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Not saying it isn't expensive to install and a lot of people going to need some Gov't Assist to get it going but once there, It Rocks. It is on my Daughters house and the Electric Bill is $15 a month so the vast majority of the electricity is produced by the Cells on the Roof,
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I think the Google solar/wind farms in the Midwest would disagree with you. Are they as "powerful" as traditional power means? No. It's an old technology that has been given "new life" with the Presidents focus on getting away from coal power. What sucks for the solar power fiends is that right after the President gives a solar startup money to rock n roll, they rock and roll right into bankruptcy. Also the tax credits that were used to want folks to get into it, are going to expire and I haven't seen any attempt at renewing them.
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SSG Warren Swan - I don't believe it can be made to run efficiently on a large enough scale to ever be successful as the replacement for coal and oil. Neither will wind. Nope, the best current tech is nuclear. At least until they crack fission. IMO, of course.
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SN Greg Wright - Nuclear could be a viable option, but we can't use uranium. Thorium is a better less messy solution with all the benefits of uranium. But again it's "old/new" technology that Big Oil/Coal will do what they need to in order to keep it on the fringes of popular use. You see how when threatened, the crazy commercials come out, paid for by whom? As far as alt fuels being a long term thing, it could be IF there was a serous desire to use it. Google's using it with their farms, but the limitation is of serious concern. Looking at the locations of these farms, they're all in the Midwest states moving to the west. This way they get maximum solar rays without having to deal with the bad weather issues the east and north would provide. That alone is it's Achilles heel, and that cannot be repaired.
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SN Greg Wright
SSG Warren Swan - You're right about Big Oil/Coal. In the late 90's there was a guy who came up with a fuel for trucks that was something like (I don't remember the exact details) 4 times more efficient than diesel. Exxon paid him a lot of money for the patent and I've never heard anything about it since. But, it's a battle Big Oil is GOING to lose eventually, through technological innovation. All they can do it stave it off, which they will, maybe for 20 more years or so...which is when I think fission will come along and make all of this moot.
A couple of other options: geothermal. Effectively infinite, if we could tap it properly. Or, put some giant mirrors in space or the moon, and aim them at receptors on earth. THERE is your viable long-term solar power.
As for current nuclear fuel, well. I've never understood why they don't load the waste up on rockets and shoot them off into the sun. Since the sun produces, every second, more radiation than humankind ever has, or ever will, it won't hurt anything. Problem solved.
A couple of other options: geothermal. Effectively infinite, if we could tap it properly. Or, put some giant mirrors in space or the moon, and aim them at receptors on earth. THERE is your viable long-term solar power.
As for current nuclear fuel, well. I've never understood why they don't load the waste up on rockets and shoot them off into the sun. Since the sun produces, every second, more radiation than humankind ever has, or ever will, it won't hurt anything. Problem solved.
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Look into Breeder Reactor's They eliminate almost all the nuclear waste. Unfortunately the environmentalists and their crazy no nuclear 1960's mentality shut down the very solution to their identified problems. Thankfully they are coming back.
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The business that I mentioned is awesome! I wanted it but WV don't have that much sun time :(. Anyway, the reason is, it is free, no cost to you. You just pay your electrical bill like regular, and 10% to 30% cheaper compare to power company depend on the usage you "constructed" for.
This concept is awesome, I believe. The way they do it is like making it as an investment, someone else pay for the whole thing, and you pay them electrical bills as a return. It works!
This concept is awesome, I believe. The way they do it is like making it as an investment, someone else pay for the whole thing, and you pay them electrical bills as a return. It works!
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Solar will not run your whole house and now along with your electric bill you have to pay for solar
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The true cost of Solar panel is "land area". It took up too much land and generation of power all depend on the "weather". The life span of the equipment can be produced cheap when there is a demand and advancement of technologies. but the land area (on earth) will not and can not be solved. Even the technologies of battery system will make solar better, but it still never able to solve the land require for it.
The reason I posted this is, our roof is a wasted "land area", imagine how much land area we can utilized. That is reason I know residential solar generation is the way to go (on earth).
I also come upon a new concept of solar power business, there already more than handful of company doing it. They are acting like a regular power company, they build the infrastructure and you only pay them a monthly electricity rate of your consumption, and usually 10%-40% cheaper than regular electricity rate, (thanks to the promise of skyrocketing electricity rate...).
There are already consumers of such business actually live off grid because of their sunlight time of their region. Imagine that to a large area of a few states, that will relief a lot of demand on the power grids. That is the beauty of free market, the more you try to distort it, the worse it come back to correct itself.
MSgt James Mullis
SSG Warren Swan
[SGT David Thomas]
[PO1 William "Chip" Nagel]
[PO2 Wesley Wilson]
[SN Greg Wright]
[SGT Jeff D.]
The reason I posted this is, our roof is a wasted "land area", imagine how much land area we can utilized. That is reason I know residential solar generation is the way to go (on earth).
I also come upon a new concept of solar power business, there already more than handful of company doing it. They are acting like a regular power company, they build the infrastructure and you only pay them a monthly electricity rate of your consumption, and usually 10%-40% cheaper than regular electricity rate, (thanks to the promise of skyrocketing electricity rate...).
There are already consumers of such business actually live off grid because of their sunlight time of their region. Imagine that to a large area of a few states, that will relief a lot of demand on the power grids. That is the beauty of free market, the more you try to distort it, the worse it come back to correct itself.
MSgt James Mullis
SSG Warren Swan
[SGT David Thomas]
[PO1 William "Chip" Nagel]
[PO2 Wesley Wilson]
[SN Greg Wright]
[SGT Jeff D.]
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