Posted on Nov 4, 2013
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The average SSG in a Combat Arms unit may have 3+ years deployed and the accompanying experiences and the base of power that comes it.  How does a new 2LT (most although not all without combat experience) lead in that environment, especially when there may be a much lower chance of gaining combat experience with the lower expected OPTEMPO of the next few years?

 

I am interested in responses from all ranks, as I think that the view of a BN CDR as their future senior rater would be very interesting as well as the view of Soldiers and NCOs on what a 2LT could focus on or excel at that would make you want to follow him/her.

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1LT Ryan Millican
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Sir,

I am a newly commissioned 2LT, commissioned in May of this year, and haven't been to BOLC, yet (go this coming July). I'm not necessarily brand new either, as I have had 10 years in already, was commissioned through the SMP program with ROTC. As my time as a cadet, I was an acting PL, and luckily my Platoon Sergeant was a man that I had deployed with and already respect very much. I learned from him that as a new LT your NCOs are your greatest resources, and allowing them to do their job would in turn allow the LT to do their job. My current Platoon Sergeant has also taught me that the PL and PSG should work as a team, and make decisions together on the mission of the Platoon and welfare of Soldiers. My first salute was an R&R 1SG that I had known my entire life and the words he told me during that salute are always right there in my mind, "you take care of your Soldiers and I promise I will always take care of you. Another, and final example I'll give was another 1SG from one of our firing batteries, when I first signed my contract as a cadet, he would always ask me, "why the hell do you want to become an officer?" and all the way till the day he retired, no answer I gave him was ever good enough until finally the day before he retired, he asked me again, and before I could even answer, he said, "Your answer should be, 1SG I want to be an officer because I want to take care of Soldiers."

Sir with all this being said, PT, doctrine, and knowledge base should be very important on a brand new LTs agenda, the top priority should be Soldier care. It doesn't matter how good that LTs PT score is, BRM score is, or even if he/she was an honor graduate through their commissioning program; none of that honestly means jack if your Soldiers are not willing to follow you through the gates of hell and back.
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Well said! How are you going to balance your experience with the role of a 2LT? It sounds like you have already learned a lot, how will you determine when to listen and when to step up and lead?
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1LT Ryan Millican
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Sir, I'm hoping that past experiences will help to relate with my Soldiers, while at the same time keep that proverbial wool from being pulled over my eyes by the lower enlisted, since at one point I too carried the "sham shield." As far as knowing when to listen and when to lead, when it comes down to the mission I will always strive to accomplish my mission but with the mindset still that my Soldiers' welfare comes first and I wi stop and listen to my NCOs on an area that they may see as being unsafe, but ultimately I know I have the final say.
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SSG Jim Foreman
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Find his true leaders in the NCO ranks. Use them as his/her teachers.
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SPC David S.
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Sir I feel this best thing for a 2 LT to do is foster an environment within the unit of self emprovement. Be open minded about those with compat experience and learn from it. And be consistent when it comes to enforcing standards. While combat experience is great mental capital it is not the same a leadership experience. All officers should be focused on this skill set.
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SPC James Hoffman
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I would be opened minded to the solders needs and take into consideration the years experience of your followers. To be respected is to respect.
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As a 2LT I think it really depends on your MOS. I am an Infantry officer. I would say schools are a must. As an Infantry officer you should aspire to attend Ranger School. I am in the Guard and completed Ranger school. I learned a lot and I am now a better PL. Also, I am in a Armored BCT. I am working my way to attending the Bradleys Leaders Course next and hoping for Army Recon Course at Benning also. These courses will give me the proper understanding to implement all resources when I plan missions.

As much as NCO's like to poke fun at a cherry PL they usually don't understand the roll of the officer. We are not technical experts, as we are not meant to be, but we are tactical experts. My job is not to control a weapons squad or ensure they keep up a cyclic rate of fire. What I can do is plan for how long they can go cyclic and how long they can go to a sustained rate of fire, while conserving even ammo for a counter attack or a follow up mission. Many people don't see that. Without the operations experience being there now going to the school house is he next best thing. The Army has many courses to teach us how to fight they are there for that reason. I am just trying to figure out how to get my unit to send me to jungle school in Hawaii now.
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I agree that there is some extraordinary good that comes from attending many of the Army's schools. You have to balance that with the learning that you get in your job, you can and should aspire to be a technical expert in the weapons that your Platoon employs. Most of that learning comnes from being curious and open and asking your subordinate leaders to teach you the details of your craft. You do have to be able to take a broader view of things as an officer so you can not get bogged down in the details, but knowing the details can sometimes help you make a better decision. As a PL you are right that you must be looking for the longer term picture and you must be thinking about how to get your platoon more resources i order to accomplish the mission at the least cost to your Soldiers.
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SFC Boots Attaway
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Very well put LTC(P) (Join to see) , I have seen far to many young officers that thought they knew it all and in the long run they hurt their unit on FTXs by NOT listening to their NCOs. Now what would have been the cost in combat? A month or two of schooling does NOT make up for years of experience.
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MSG First Sergeant
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Ranger, Sapper, air assault, airborne, and pathfinder schools
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I strongly disagree with Officers going after tabs/badges/schools that have nothing in the world to do with their functions.  It takes seats away from Soldiers that *need* those programs.  And trust me, no one is impressed when you've got all kinds of bling, but can't do your basic job.
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MAJ Field Artillery Officer
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Really? So only guys with ranger tabs got the guts to work hard and take care of the team? Listen a Ranger tab is needed for certain jobs / branches, however it is not a determing factor in the quality of an officer. I know plenty of good and bad officer with and without tabs. It may open the door, however that officer still has to perform. The ability to perform or not perform is based upon an individual's work ethic, contirbution to the team, ethics, leadership, and a long list of others. At the tactical level, you're probably right however, at the organizational level tabs are a good ice breaker, but that's about it.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
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Just curious MSG, that since I am in the NG (MN specifically) and there are no slots for most of these tabs/badges, would that make majority of the units in the reserves/NG that don't have access to these poor LT's?

Last time I checked, my last OER, I was rated above center mass by my rater and senior rater and I don't have any special tabs.

I agree with what CPT Wolfer said. If we can't do our basic job as a leader first, whats the point in having all these badges/tabs? You could have the mental and physical ability to perform under stress and in rough situations, but if you can't perform your job and take care of your Soldiers, whats the point?
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MAJ Englund, sir, if you reread my original comment I specifically was referring to people going after flashy schools UNrelated to their MOS. An EN officer getting a Sapper tab is the opposite of my point.
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Decrease in OPSTEMPO? When can we expect that to start?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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It may seem like a long time ago but we went almost 15 years between the end of Vietnam and the Gulf War and 10 years from the Gulf War to 9/11 with no large scale military deployments. Grenada, Panama and Somalia were limited in scope and duration. I'd say a majority of SMs managed to get through this 25 year period w/o a combat deployment and obviously, good leaders were turned out just the same. A combat deployment, IMHO, culminates and tests the training of all ranks, not just 2LTs. Its the training pre-deployment that will define leadership styles and mettle. NTC rotations, major exercises like REFORGER, Yama Sakura, Foal Eagle, etc., need to be revived and expanded to get everyone some realistic training.
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1SG Vet Technician
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Besides knowing if (or not) to salute a 1LT....

Like any new soldier, a new LT needs to learn how to be a soldier first and foremost. This can be hard for some coming right off LDAC, and going out there wide-eyed and ready to lead the charge.

I feel many junior officers lose respect of enlisted/NCOs when they try to lead soldiers without knowing how to soldier my self. If I recall correctly, the NCO Creed is the only one that includes a statement about competence. This in itself, indicates how much we value that aspect of leadership.

In my opinion, a new LT, during the first few months, needs to observe with mouth shut* and ears and eyes open. Lean on the senior NCOs for soldiering, and watch more senior officers for leadership lessons. (I am not saying that NCO's can't provide leadership lessons and that officers are not good soldiers, but that officers usually have a wider focus).

*mouth shut means backing off and letting the platoon sergeant take the reigns, but please ask lots of questions and give your input without expecting that your input will be necessarily heeded just because you are an officer.
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SSG Engagement Control Team Leader
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SSG Squires,

I think this is exactly the wrong thing for a new LT to do. Regardless of experience that new LT is put into the position to lead. While they need to lean heavily on their NCOs for guidance they also need to step up and be a leader. How is a new LT supposed to learn leadership skills if all he does is sit in the corner with his mouth shut? How will a young soldier respect that officer as a leader if he never leads? What happens if the NCOs are jacked up or if they PCS right before a deployment? Now you have an LT downrange with no leadership experience and a platoon that doesn't trust him.
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Not to mention that he will be held responsible for the decisions made. If something is jacked up and there is an investigation do you think the BN commander will be okay with the excuse "my platoon sergeant ignored me." The final decision lies with the officer and it is the NCOs job to advise that officer so that they make the right decision.
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