Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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As the battalion CSM every soldier enlisted or officer that was assigned to the battalion came into my office for a talk, there was no doubt when they left who was there to help them. Had many officers seek out my advice. Never had issues with officers. Part of the BN Cdr's brief to newly assigned officers was if the CSM suggests you do whatever consider it came from me. If a LT called me to attention I would comply, but we would be having a one on one talk shortly after.
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Yes of course that E9 would comply. however that incident would be closely followed by a visit to their commander. You always have to remember that E9's work for 06 and above That Lieutenant will learn very quickly the error of their ways. And that would be from their own command
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Yes he would, yes the ass chewing would be epic. but it would be memorable.
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The closest I have seen to this is as a young Infantry CPL a 2LT rapped me on the head for looking drowsy during combat lifesaver course. Immediately he was whisked into the hallway by my SFC PLT SGT and standing at Parade Rest while my PLT SGT invited him to come and talk to the CSM and LTC if he had a doubt where he stood in relation to the rating chain and Soldier welfare.
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Context needed but you don't get to E9 being a shit bag so I'm sure said E9 will comply but I bet a month's pay the E9 knows an O5 or O6. Checkmate.
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unfortunately yes... but i would not want to that shaved tail " Lt." when The Bn Commander gets through with him...
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Of course. Lawful order. You can be sure though that there will be future conversations from both that e-9 and the o-1's superiors.
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I've seen that try to happen. The E-9 smiled and put his arm around the O-1s shoulders and they walked off to his office. A very sheepish looking O-1 came out after about 30 minutes. No yelling happened, but none really needed to. Not saying it's right or wrong, good or bad, just what I saw.
That aside, the O-1 would lose the ability to lead pretty much everyone who saw that take place, whether the E-9 went to attention or not; that's a total dick move.
That aside, the O-1 would lose the ability to lead pretty much everyone who saw that take place, whether the E-9 went to attention or not; that's a total dick move.
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One thing I learned as a 1SG was I didn't have to yell at people to get my point across and for people to pay attention to me. Sometimes a whisper spoke even louder than a yell. By the time I made SGM, my 1SGs and especially my BN XO were always surprised at how calm I remained at bad news, and how I never raised my voice. I told them getting all in an uproar and yelling and screaming didn't do anyone any good. It was better to just take the information, figure out how to deal with it, and march on. It was also very valuable in counseling troops who were in trouble over something. They were always taken aback by my calmness and helpful attitude about the issue. They'd already been chewed out up and down the chain, so here I was just acknowledging the issue but trying to help them figure out how we were going to deal with it, and they were just surprised. It almost always led to them deciding to do what we'd planned on pushing them to do in the last case anyway. Always better when they decide the outcome instead of having us force it on them.
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MAJ Jeffrey Frankart
SGM (Join to see) I love that approach. I can only imagine it is effective. I will tuck that way and try to use it.
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