Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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He certainly would, but a big mistake by a butter bars. The butter bars should respect the E9 in a manner that goes beyond just rank.
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Not really related but thought I would share a second story.
I was OJT out to the motor pool for a possible position in the motorpool, was just before Desert Storm at Campbell. I am a lowly PFC at the time. Everyone had went to lunch in the shop. I was under a HMMWV replacing a starter, 24 V, heavy as hell. I had one bolt started barley, when someone walked up and kicked my feet, then asked where the Chief was. We had a WO 2 over the motor pool. I said that he was probably at chow and continued to work. I got kicked again and I told them if they did it again I was coming out and there would be hell to pay! With a few expletives added. When the individual grabbed me by the feet and pulled me and my creeper out, me cussing and just as I clear the HWMMV the starter hit the floor! When I look up it's the Brigade CSM. I snap to parade rest and start apologizing immediately! He held his hand up stopping me. Asked what had just hit the floor. I told him that I had been replacing the starter and that I was having trouble treading the bolts when he yanked me out! He apologized and we talked for almost 30 min. He was cool as hell and I didn't die!! From that point on when we seen each other there was a difference between us, not in a bad way. He would always greet me and shake my hand and ask me how everything was going. Made me see that CSM and SGM where human and that they really DIDN'T want to eat me! LOL
I was OJT out to the motor pool for a possible position in the motorpool, was just before Desert Storm at Campbell. I am a lowly PFC at the time. Everyone had went to lunch in the shop. I was under a HMMWV replacing a starter, 24 V, heavy as hell. I had one bolt started barley, when someone walked up and kicked my feet, then asked where the Chief was. We had a WO 2 over the motor pool. I said that he was probably at chow and continued to work. I got kicked again and I told them if they did it again I was coming out and there would be hell to pay! With a few expletives added. When the individual grabbed me by the feet and pulled me and my creeper out, me cussing and just as I clear the HWMMV the starter hit the floor! When I look up it's the Brigade CSM. I snap to parade rest and start apologizing immediately! He held his hand up stopping me. Asked what had just hit the floor. I told him that I had been replacing the starter and that I was having trouble treading the bolts when he yanked me out! He apologized and we talked for almost 30 min. He was cool as hell and I didn't die!! From that point on when we seen each other there was a difference between us, not in a bad way. He would always greet me and shake my hand and ask me how everything was going. Made me see that CSM and SGM where human and that they really DIDN'T want to eat me! LOL
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In the military it seems officer have forgotten respect they believe that civilians are their only help but remember who does the true work. Respect is earned not not given and many enlisted fake it.
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In Basic at Banning we were in cattle trucks heading out to get our initial equipment issue and stopped at an intersection. An E9 comes walking past with his head down in concentration and passed 2 butterbars. One of the butterbars turns as they pass and says " Excuse me Sergeant, but do you know how to salute?"
The E9 pivots on his heel turns and faces the butternut and says " Yes Sir I do, unfortunately at the moment I don't have time to teach you"
He turned and was gone so fast the butterbars has no time to answer.
Needless to say the WHOLE cattle truck busted out laughing......
The E9 pivots on his heel turns and faces the butternut and says " Yes Sir I do, unfortunately at the moment I don't have time to teach you"
He turned and was gone so fast the butterbars has no time to answer.
Needless to say the WHOLE cattle truck busted out laughing......
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I've definitely never witnessed this, although I have seen a CSM tell a butter bar to stand at parade rest.
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My XO my first time in Germany was a very young female LT... All of the NCOs in our unit were older than she was but they had a mutual respect for each other... the young E-1s E-2s & E-3s however didn't quite understand the importance of respect between Ranks... she & I were working our company booth at an on base fest and a few of the boys came up and asked what her first name was... she responded Lieutenant... they asked again... "no ma'am, we mean out of uniform or off base?" I (an E-4 Specialist) responded got her... "On base or off she is a 1st Lieutenant and your company Executive Officer, she will always be addressed as Lieutenant (last name), L T, X O, or ma'am... are we clear?" the boys agreed and the issue never came up with them again... In the office and out, she & I were friends, but I never broke that respect line by calling her anything else but her rank or position...
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Yes the would have to comply. In respect to rank structure. After 2LT getting rough up with out a doubt.
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Yes, of course, because "no one is more professional than I" and it is the law. But, I would say unlikely, if the 2LT has a brain...
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Absolutely they would, but if it's over a disagreement, then that O1 is going to get jacked up. There are better ways of handling your troops when you don't agree on how to run the team than coming at your senior staff full-bore.
All of these stories actually remind me of when I was an E2 just running papers back and forth from one desk to another at my facility. Anytime I left the Flight Planning Branch I had to go outside of the hangar doors into another wing of the building to get to our RADAR room or the control tower...we had a Gunny come by one day and I had just walked out of the doors of one wing towards another with no cover on, and our ET2 on duty was just walking out of the central hangar bay where they do repairs, and I heard ET2 greet the Gunny (pretty loudly).
Turns out the Gunny was getting ready to get after me for not wearing a cover, but got put in his place (pre-emptively) by a proactive Second Class who saw what was coming and informed this Gunny that he was in the wrong for wearing a cover on a flight deck. I didn't even find out about it until about a week after.
All of these stories actually remind me of when I was an E2 just running papers back and forth from one desk to another at my facility. Anytime I left the Flight Planning Branch I had to go outside of the hangar doors into another wing of the building to get to our RADAR room or the control tower...we had a Gunny come by one day and I had just walked out of the doors of one wing towards another with no cover on, and our ET2 on duty was just walking out of the central hangar bay where they do repairs, and I heard ET2 greet the Gunny (pretty loudly).
Turns out the Gunny was getting ready to get after me for not wearing a cover, but got put in his place (pre-emptively) by a proactive Second Class who saw what was coming and informed this Gunny that he was in the wrong for wearing a cover on a flight deck. I didn't even find out about it until about a week after.
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