Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?

My father was a SGM and said he never called a lt, sir.

Yes, the 01 while new to the military is still senior to the E9

Yes of course, the E9 is still Enlisted, however their might be a problem with a ASS chewing from a CO to the 01 later! LOL!!!

Yes, out of respect for the officer rank. Hopefully the LT would have the brains and proper training to avoid such situations.

Yes, but the 2lt would lose in the long run

yes, chain of command

Yes

I've seen it happen and it's funny, but usually the "LT" is corrected later

Depending on situation is how e9 would act but it wouldn't end there

Sgt Jason Shaw I was going to speak up, but decided to see if it had already been addressed.

He certainly would, but a big mistake by a butter bars. The butter bars should respect the E9 in a manner that goes beyond just rank.

Not really related but thought I would share a second story.

I was OJT out to the motor pool for a possible position in the motorpool, was just before Desert Storm at Campbell. I am a lowly PFC at the time. Everyone had went to lunch in the shop. I was under a HMMWV replacing a starter, 24 V, heavy as hell. I had one bolt started barley, when someone walked up and kicked my feet, then asked where the Chief was. We had a WO 2 over the motor pool. I said that he was probably at chow and continued to work. I got kicked again and I told them if they did it again I was coming out and there would be hell to pay! With a few expletives added. When the individual grabbed me by the feet and pulled me and my creeper out, me cussing and just as I clear the HWMMV the starter hit the floor! When I look up it's the Brigade CSM. I snap to parade rest and start apologizing immediately! He held his hand up stopping me. Asked what had just hit the floor. I told him that I had been replacing the starter and that I was having trouble treading the bolts when he yanked me out! He apologized and we talked for almost 30 min. He was cool as hell and I didn't die!! From that point on when we seen each other there was a difference between us, not in a bad way. He would always greet me and shake my hand and ask me how everything was going. Made me see that CSM and SGM where human and that they really DIDN'T want to eat me! LOL

In the military it seems officer have forgotten respect they believe that civilians are their only help but remember who does the true work. Respect is earned not not given and many enlisted fake it.

In Basic at Banning we were in cattle trucks heading out to get our initial equipment issue and stopped at an intersection. An E9 comes walking past with his head down in concentration and passed 2 butterbars. One of the butterbars turns as they pass and says " Excuse me Sergeant, but do you know how to salute?"
The E9 pivots on his heel turns and faces the butternut and says " Yes Sir I do, unfortunately at the moment I don't have time to teach you"
He turned and was gone so fast the butterbars has no time to answer.
Needless to say the WHOLE cattle truck busted out laughing......

I've definitely never witnessed this, although I have seen a CSM tell a butter bar to stand at parade rest.

My XO my first time in Germany was a very young female LT... All of the NCOs in our unit were older than she was but they had a mutual respect for each other... the young E-1s E-2s & E-3s however didn't quite understand the importance of respect between Ranks... she & I were working our company booth at an on base fest and a few of the boys came up and asked what her first name was... she responded Lieutenant... they asked again... "no ma'am, we mean out of uniform or off base?" I (an E-4 Specialist) responded got her... "On base or off she is a 1st Lieutenant and your company Executive Officer, she will always be addressed as Lieutenant (last name), L T, X O, or ma'am... are we clear?" the boys agreed and the issue never came up with them again... In the office and out, she & I were friends, but I never broke that respect line by calling her anything else but her rank or position...

Praise in public, criticize in private.

Yes the would have to comply. In respect to rank structure. After 2LT getting rough up with out a doubt.

Yes, of course, because "no one is more professional than I" and it is the law. But, I would say unlikely, if the 2LT has a brain...

Absolutely they would, but if it's over a disagreement, then that O1 is going to get jacked up. There are better ways of handling your troops when you don't agree on how to run the team than coming at your senior staff full-bore.

All of these stories actually remind me of when I was an E2 just running papers back and forth from one desk to another at my facility. Anytime I left the Flight Planning Branch I had to go outside of the hangar doors into another wing of the building to get to our RADAR room or the control tower...we had a Gunny come by one day and I had just walked out of the doors of one wing towards another with no cover on, and our ET2 on duty was just walking out of the central hangar bay where they do repairs, and I heard ET2 greet the Gunny (pretty loudly).

Turns out the Gunny was getting ready to get after me for not wearing a cover, but got put in his place (pre-emptively) by a proactive Second Class who saw what was coming and informed this Gunny that he was in the wrong for wearing a cover on a flight deck. I didn't even find out about it until about a week after.

The thing is, everyone knows who the actual BDIC here, it's the e-9. It's upon him to be magnanimous and humble with his proverbial schlong he throws around his shoulder. If the enswine or whomever tries that shit, all it would take is a private conversation after standing at attention, and coming back to the squad. Where it will be obvious the chain of command and moral unaffected

Yes by custom. Then the O5 would tell the 2LT that his next assignment would be 3 days the other side of the end of all the supply lines.

Just about every butter bar Lt I ever knew was intimidated by Sergeants Majors, and downright terrified of Master Gunnery Sergeants. I don't think most of the SgtsMajs and Master Gunnies I served under even acknowledged the existence of 2nd Lt's anyway.

Absolutely,chain of command,
off the books touchy.

Asked that quesrion of a 01. He stated that when young people are around the E9 treated him as a superior but when just the two of them he treated the E9 as his mentor. Very classy young officer.

I would agree with most statements below, The LT would be called LT not sir, and behind closed doors there would be some verbal counselling for sure. By the CSM of course

Yes he would because he has respect.

Yes the military has RULES and regulations

I mean yea they would have to comply... My first deployment the command center had a 1LT(former SFC) and an SGM who didn't get along and the 1LT would lock him up all the time but justly so (the CSM often concurred). But in my opinion a 2LT shouldn't be locking up anyone unless they are brazenly and blatantly disrespected. A soldier missing a salute... Whatever. I try to avoid my CSM as a WO1 but we are always cordial to eachother but I don't ever try and get in his lane or interfere with NCO business. And I damn sure never expect a salute from my CSM nor would ever ask for one

Yes but as for the LT he will soon become familiar with the phrase "win the battle; lose the war"

YES.......like it or not. unless it's an unlawful order.

Um, funny story about that lol

Do it unless you want to retire early...

This reminds me of a story my old man (a retired E-9) once told me. My father prepared for the day with his 0-5 in the orderly room when a young 2LT walked in a fit yelling at all my dad's PSG's. My old man looked at the 2LT and asked "Sir, do you know what the maximum effective range of a 2LT is?" As the 2LT looked back at the CSM, my dad held up his two fingers as they touched. "This far" he said "now shut the hell up and let the colonel and I handle this"

Depends who has lost their military bearing.

Yes

you have to respect the rank not the person

I am here to read the story.

Yes. Staff sergeants and Lieutenants run the Army. Sergeants major work for senior officers and are traditionally viewed as their representative. Life would suck for a young LT who acted disrespectfully towards his commander, even through the commander's proxy. The NCO does have a duty to comply with the orders of a commissioned officer regardless of which end of the pay scale either falls.

The E-9 may comply because he/she is a seasoned professional, but the LT would likely be schooled up by his chain of command.

Hew better comply, for all kinds of reasons -- appearance, UCMJ, all kinds. But afterwards, there would likely be some fallout.

In 1977, I was a brand new Marine PFC going to tech school at NAS Memphis. One day, while walking down the sidewalk, I heard what sounded almost like a dogfight on the sidewalk across the street. When I looked over there, here was this Master Chief about 6' 6" tall, with an Ensign perhaps 5' 8" tall, yelling up at him. I mean, it looked almost like Odie going after Garfield. After a minute, the Master Chief stopped walking, looked down at this Ensign, and just BLASTED him. "WOULD YOU JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!" I guess they didn't see me over on the other sidewalk staring at them with my mouth open! :-) When the Master Chief noticed me, it was MY turn -- "AND WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?"

I've never forgotten that incident. Embarrassed for the both of them, my own embarrassment at seeing them, wondering if that Ensign woke up or went to the civilian world in a couple of years, etc.

I witnessed a master Chief tell an a butter bar to climb up fid gold anchor and kiss his two silver stars.

First I would stand up and face this young ensign and address the issue head on. This did happy me a few times in my career and understand one thing I showed the young officer the difference between earned respect and demanded respect all in one sentence and in front of his/her subordinates. And as with the article above I was called in front of the XO and CMC but, as the Doc on board who due you think took the hit? Wasn't me. All I was told was try and play nice because we need our young officers to want to stay in. So moral of the story don't surrender to young impulsive officers who think after two years in the Military they know more then a 24-30 Veteran.

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RHIP

As a relatively boot Marine an Officer (O1) ordered us to secure and lock up crypto equipment at the reboot (1969). The Officer got upset with me when I walked to the back of the open cabinet and make the crypto update and he insisted that I open the door, turn the crypto make the update, turn the crypto gear around and secure the door. Keep in mind that there was a large door on a 4 or 5 shelf cabinet with no sides. No sides and he wanted me to only go through the door? Cabinet sitting in the middle of the room next to the teletype machine! What! I had more than a few choice words, yes I was smart enough this time to keep my comments under my breath. An E7 coached me later to salute the rank not the person. Stupidity has no limits. I apply the same to POTUS.

No

As a Sergeants Major Drop the mic, enough said...

My father was an Senor Chief in the Navy (E-8) when I graduated from the US Naval Academy (25 years ago, yikes), and while he is a man of few words, he made sure to "educate" me on the proper way to interact with all the enlisted I'd work with, but very much what I should and better yet, should not do, as a newly minted Ensign. Basically he said, none will ever publicly make me look bad, even when I'm an ass, but if I listened, treated them with respect, and understood that I still had a lot to learn, an effective relationship with my senior NCOs would be incredibly career enhancing. He was right! At least this Ensign made sure I kept my mouth shut, ears open and learned the dazzling pearls of wisdom the senior NCOs I got to work with handed out. Their advice serves me, even today.