Posted on Dec 9, 2020
Judah Freed
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What are your professional and personal views on the right and the duty of active and retired military to disobey illegal or unconstitutional orders? (Ref. UCMJ, Articles 90, 91, 92; and the Fourth Geneva Convention.)

For instance, in the event a sitting U.S. President loses an election in the electoral college, and as a means to stay in office declares martial law or invokes the 1807 Insurrection Act, should you obey such an order? Would you individually be willing to comply?

Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic....


e.g., https://www.witf.org/2020/06/02/president-trump-says-hell-deploy-military-to-states-if-they-dont-stop-violent-protests/
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Honest opinion. I no longer fall under the UCMJ. However I still maintain my willingness to uphold the constitution. The thing to keep in mind here is we all have personal opinions. I don't hold political views really and I will never just back up someone because they are throwing a fit. I hold on to MY personal values and those are all I have to back up. There is no such thing as right or wrong. There are laws with repercussions if you break them, if you don't fear the repercussions? You are an outlaw. But, laws get amended all the time or are just simply no longer upheld. So what exactly IS law? Merely guidelines... Someone like myself who has absolutely nothing to lose (no family, friends, significant other, children, animals, religion, position, or possessions...) makes me much more dangerous in the eyes of the law since I have nothing to manipulate me to obey if I choose not to. Like I said, it's all personal.
SSG Edward Tilton
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The former President is exactly that. There is a new Commander and Chief. Anyone who does what he tells them IS NOT FOLLOWING A LAWFUL ORDER. They take any crime unto themselves. No excuses
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TSgt John Bonnar
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Nope
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SFC Robert Walton
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IMHO This is exactly why Civilian supporters should be limited use of this page, all to far often they ask question to instigate and attempt to push and individual narrative. The question itself is okay the narrative of the poster is the unprofessional part. JMTC

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LCpl Kenneth Heath
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No. I am obligated to NOT follow illegal orders and to uphold and protect the Constitution. Stupid question.
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SPC Daniel Kennedy
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Just seeing how the modern warriors feel
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SPC Charles McFate
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To disobey an illegal order I.E. you are ordered to kill civilians, is your sworn duty.
The constitutional part is above my pay grade...
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SPC Daniel Kennedy
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No.
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MSgt J D McKee
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I wrote it, then I chickened out. Troll.
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Cpl William Tanguay
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Not if I considered it to be morally wrong and against my upbringing.
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