Posted on Dec 9, 2020
Would you obey an illegal or unconstitutional order?
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What are your professional and personal views on the right and the duty of active and retired military to disobey illegal or unconstitutional orders? (Ref. UCMJ, Articles 90, 91, 92; and the Fourth Geneva Convention.)
For instance, in the event a sitting U.S. President loses an election in the electoral college, and as a means to stay in office declares martial law or invokes the 1807 Insurrection Act, should you obey such an order? Would you individually be willing to comply?
Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic....
e.g., https://www.witf.org/2020/06/02/president-trump-says-hell-deploy-military-to-states-if-they-dont-stop-violent-protests/
For instance, in the event a sitting U.S. President loses an election in the electoral college, and as a means to stay in office declares martial law or invokes the 1807 Insurrection Act, should you obey such an order? Would you individually be willing to comply?
Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic....
e.g., https://www.witf.org/2020/06/02/president-trump-says-hell-deploy-military-to-states-if-they-dont-stop-violent-protests/
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Cpl Benjamin Long
Sgt (Join to see) well I assume you can shake a fist at the sky and curse those heretics...
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LTC John Wilson
There is not a single thing "political" about this question! It is a legitimate question that MUST be asked... History proves that failure to address the issue beforehand and ensure that our profession conducts itself morally and ethically WILL lead to atrocities.
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SGT David Spearel
SPC (Join to see) I couldn’t disagree with you more. Trump didn’t win and all his lies and false narratives won’t change that. I had serious misgivings allowing him access to classified information and documents considering the crimes he’s accused of would have been grounds to deny any kind of clearance granted to anyone. He’s been treated with kid gloves by those who continue to enable him and it’s time he takes responsibility for his actions. Having access to classified materials isn’t given to just everyone and Trump can’t be trusted again a second time.
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SGT David Spearel - Well DemoncRAT how does it feel to know that u voted for Hitler.
ur the ones with the FALSE narrative. U do not go from more Trump supporters showing up and ONE biden/harris rally and have that number of Trump supporters be more than all biden/harris showing up to any of their meetings or rallies EVER. And they NEVER turned over the machines. And there was proven demoncRAT voter fraud. U should be demoted kid.
UR Nazi kind, DemoncRAT even went after him to throw him out of office b4 he won the 1st election, U never quit going to war with Trump for 10 years now and not once have u done anything in line with the Constitution in ANYTHING u have done,
If We The PEOPLE went after demoncRATS, and we have everyone of u on TREASON and would convict u all in one day. like u did Trump.
EVERYTHING u put in place had Falsified paperwork. U lied to the Fisa Court. And only PROVED demoncrats did what u claimed Trump did.
ur the ones with the FALSE narrative. U do not go from more Trump supporters showing up and ONE biden/harris rally and have that number of Trump supporters be more than all biden/harris showing up to any of their meetings or rallies EVER. And they NEVER turned over the machines. And there was proven demoncRAT voter fraud. U should be demoted kid.
UR Nazi kind, DemoncRAT even went after him to throw him out of office b4 he won the 1st election, U never quit going to war with Trump for 10 years now and not once have u done anything in line with the Constitution in ANYTHING u have done,
If We The PEOPLE went after demoncRATS, and we have everyone of u on TREASON and would convict u all in one day. like u did Trump.
EVERYTHING u put in place had Falsified paperwork. U lied to the Fisa Court. And only PROVED demoncrats did what u claimed Trump did.
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
reason: Dish Network has been carrying Fox since it began. Dish Network's target demographic is rural folks. The more rural, the more likely to be Dish customers.
My folks only choice was Dish. If you had been receiving Fox as your only source for news and info, I bet you'd believe them. The propaganda force is strong with them...
(It was recently announced that the parent company of Dish said it will cease to carry Fox.)
My folks only choice was Dish. If you had been receiving Fox as your only source for news and info, I bet you'd believe them. The propaganda force is strong with them...
(It was recently announced that the parent company of Dish said it will cease to carry Fox.)
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PFC Kimberly Staiti
PO2 Robert Cuminale
Google it, dude.
AP, Reuters, The Boston Globe, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, CNN, CBS, etc. all refute those early estimates you have.
Babbitt, God rest her soul, breached the perimeter. She had a record (that you can find) of repeated physical violence and threats. She also supported and expected violence according to her own social media. 140 Capitol Police officers were injured, some fatally, some permanently. One person died of a heart attack. At least four officers have died as a direct result of their service that day. Someone else from the crowd passed away, too.
I'm too tired to keep this Convo going. Just got a drive-thru covid test and I was on the road for an hour and a half. I can't shake this fever so I don't know if I'm even coherent to you.
Peace to you.
Google it, dude.
AP, Reuters, The Boston Globe, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, CNN, CBS, etc. all refute those early estimates you have.
Babbitt, God rest her soul, breached the perimeter. She had a record (that you can find) of repeated physical violence and threats. She also supported and expected violence according to her own social media. 140 Capitol Police officers were injured, some fatally, some permanently. One person died of a heart attack. At least four officers have died as a direct result of their service that day. Someone else from the crowd passed away, too.
I'm too tired to keep this Convo going. Just got a drive-thru covid test and I was on the road for an hour and a half. I can't shake this fever so I don't know if I'm even coherent to you.
Peace to you.
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PFC Kimberly Staiti - U must be a demoncrat. And as non committal an answer as there is. Tho one word is as much as a demoncrat can handle to do more than that requires intelligence.
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Although I like where your head is at, but come on man, "Let's have a frank and friendly discussion on this vital topic...."
Seriously???
You know the answer. This is nothing but a stick to the hornets' nest for no other reason then to see factions fighting each other on US soil
Seriously???
You know the answer. This is nothing but a stick to the hornets' nest for no other reason then to see factions fighting each other on US soil
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PO3 Grigorie Draghici
SPC Jeff Jones - Devil's Advocate, but what happens if you actually encountered a pig that could sing...in that rare case, wouldn't arguing pointless politics on the internet, actually be a good thing?
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MSgt J D McKee
PO3 Grigorie Draghici - It would be bling or bacon, bitch, from me to the pig. Sing until your nose bleeds, daddy wants a new pair of shoes.
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