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This discussion goes out to everybody but mainly to E-8’s. My question is how do you prefer to by addressed as. I have had several 1SG, and some of them have flipped out on soldiers when they were called Top. I myself try my hardest to always address my 1SG by his or her name and rank, but I see others on a daily basis doing both.
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Ok, history lesson.  Some are close on this.  TOP dates back to our Army forefathers.  I believe around the Civil War time frame.  TOP stands for "Trainer ofPersonnel".  This title was given to the senior enlisted Soldier in the unit.  It has become interchangeable  with 1SG.  Remember that NCOs have not always been the technical experts, no laughing, that we are today.  Remember the  "profession of arms" campaign.  The reason it is used primarily for 1SGs is NCOs are more or less "functional".  This is a dated term, but some 1SG positions require them to be SME in their field.  Disclaimer here, all jobs in the Army are important.  The difference lies in the consequences that occur if mistakes are made.  Example: I am an EOD guy, I will stay in EOD organizations for most of my career.  So I would not be the 1SG of a Medical unit or a Combat Arms unit.  I don't know anything about them.  Me being in a leadership position in those type of units would not be pretty! LOL  Our Officer counterparts used to be functional, but now when they reach a certain grade, they become multifunctional.  Like ORD Soldiers become Logisticians. I digress.  Point I am making is TOP is a term of respect.  It's not a given in my book.  It has to be earned.  I have had several 1SGs and few Tops.
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Here is what I found so far.  The paper was writen by an Air Force guy.  Thttp://http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/au-24/ball.pdf. This shows use of TOP prior to the start of the Air Force in 1947.  So it was used way before the Civil Rights era, but it could been a resurgence.  As to the highest rank African Americans can hold, in1920 the Army standerize the enlisted pay grades, SGM ceased to be a title of rank or grade. However, it survived as the job title of the senior NCO of a battalion and was re-introduced as a rank in 1958 when Congress authorized the the pay grade.  So prior to 58, all Soldiers were limited to E-8.
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SSG Justin Nellums
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SGM, thank you for that info. I'm glad you were able to find something out because I've been running in circles trying to find out anything. That's info makes much more sense. Thanks again.
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No problem.  Another good resource for info is the USASMA library.  They have papers written by NCOs and Officers in their collection.  The papers are good, but I also use their reference information.  Reading papers by our past leaders is also a good way to learn from others mistakes. My eyes were opened wide to the lack of preparedness the US military has been at the intial on set of almost every conflict/hostilities.  The story reads the same just change the dates.  The common denominator is huge cuts in defense at the end of conflicts.  The ultimate cost is Service men and woman's lives.  Perfect example is Task Force Smith at the beginning of the Korean War.  Look it up and see what you think. I will tell you that sending a TF to stop or even slow a colum of tanks with out tanks, anti tank weapons,or landmines is not a solid plan! 
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when I grew up in the military the sm wearing the diamond was 1sg and the one without was top
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I prefer it when my Soldiers call me Top and everyone else addresses me as First Sergeant. I am your Top, therefore that is the priveledge given solely to you. That is, of course, after I have "earned" that Soldier's respect and confidence. 
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1SG McAvoy, Thank you for your feedback.
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SGT Patrick Reno
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Thank you 1st Sgt. that's the best answer I have seen. I had several 1st Sgt's but only had one TOP.
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For me it was situational based. Obviously, if it was a formal setting like UCMJ or boards, or reporting, it was always 1SG. But down in the motor pool, or walking through training, or on a road march, either Top or 1SG was fine with me.
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1SG Kupsh, thank you for your feedback
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Would you prefer to be addressed as 1SG or Top?
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I prefer to be addressed as 1SG and reserve the right to be called Top to my soldiers once I have earned their respect and confidence. 
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1SG Rink, thank you for your feedback
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I won't refer to a 1SG as 'Top' unless I have a personal relationship with him/her and I'm reasonably sure that it is okay for me to do so.  Otherwise I stick with rank and name.
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SGT Cherry, thank you for your feedback
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SGT Richard H.
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Same. "Top" is essentially a term of endearment. Calling a random 1SG top would be on par with calling a random woman "honey". It might slip by, but it won't be right.
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SSG Woodard, I did not mind being addressed by either one when I was a 1SG.  It was a personal preference though and I would advise anyone to refer to a 1SG that you have just met as "1SG ___ ."  Once that relationship is established then you can broach the "Top" subject with him/her. 
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MSG Stankovich, thank you for your feedback
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SSG Woodard,<div><br></div><div>1SG is my first name Haro is my last.... No really I try to call every First Sergeant, 1SG Top isn't something I hate but to be professional Soldiers should use First Sergeant my opinion.</div><div>V/R</div><div>1SG Haro</div>
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1SG Haro, thank you for your feedback
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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At a church's casual evening gathering, everyone was introducing themselves as "brother or sister, I immediately became "Sergeant Hayden".
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SGT Richard H.
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Soldier: What's your first name, Top?
1SG: My first name is 1SG. Push.
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I love this question! The term "TOP" stands for Trainer of Personnel. In the early days of the Army, this Trainer of Personnel was often times the Senior Enlisted Soldier. TOP NCO in the company. Technically First Sergeants have been around since the beginning of the Army. But there wasn't an official 1SG or 1SG rank until 1847 or 48. (I have to check the date to make sure). So the two naturally came to be synonymous because the 1SG was, in most cases, the Senior Enlisted Soldier and unit SME. Prior to 1847 (Checked the date! LOL!) this was the Trainer of Personnel.
I, like many of you have heard the, "Do I spin on my head?" phrase when someone is called TOP. Those individuals don't know the historical meaning of the term. It is a term of deep respect in my opinion. Most Soldiers I have worked with don't know the history, but do know the difference between a 1SG and a TOP. Anyone can put on 1SG rank, but not everyone can be a "TOP". If I were a 1SG again, I wouldn't mind being called Top, I still have some of my old Soldiers call me TOP and I haven't been a 1SG since 2009.

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SGM Smith - I agree 100% and believe Top is a term of endearment and respect. I did not know the Trainer Of Personnel piece of our history but now that I do I will make sure the Soldiers do too. Thanks for the info and knowledge.
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fsg bullets, beans and band aids, he's the planner, the logistical expert, the one person that provides for the unit, msg expert in mos
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CPT Mike M.
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Personally, when I'm addressing them, I address MY 1SG as Top and all others as First Sergeant.&nbsp; Never put much thought into it, but I guess I think that Top is, not really a term of endearment, but a closer name that shows the closer working relationship with the individual.
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CPT Miller great point

 

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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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@CPT Mike Miller One CDR would address me as, "1st". That was kinda cool!
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In the Corps, Top is only refered to a MSgt and that is up to the discretion of the MSgt on it's use.  Most MSgt from my experience like to be called Master Sergeant with some taking offense to the name and responding "do I look like a top?  are you gonna spin me?".  Ive only known a couple MSgt' that actually preferred the usage of Top.  Most Marines know to use MSgt unless directed otherwise.



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SPC Marcus DeMatos
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Not being as well versed on the Corps social etiquette, is the same rule in place for Gunny or Master Guns?
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