WW3. Is it time for the World to liberate North Korea from this crazy Regime and get back to having just one Korea?

That's why China leaves them there in place is to punish the United States and Japan. China can say sorry nothing we can do about them while we sit and worry our asses off. They are a rouge country now with Nukes, either arm Japan and South Korea with a few low payload nukes as mutual assured destruction or Nuke them our selves. We should be building a whole new smaller Nuke device to use on these new players like North Korea, Iran and even Pakistan. We are not fighting Russia or China here dealing with smaller land masses to cover need more tactical style strikes available. We don't need Megatons. On a slightly different yet stupid subject we have 50 Nukes in Turkey. They just under went a revolution Coup attempt are we nuts fly them out of there. We have no business having nukes in an unstable Muslim country. We must have holes in our heads. Maybe some stupid rule about keeping nukes in a loadable location for our bombers, but in Turkey really come on guys who’s running this thing.

MSG Floyd Williams - Technically speaking, we are still at war with North Korea. All there is an armistice!

MSgt (Join to see) - You're right there isn't a peace treaty, so a full scale war can start at anytime.

MSG Jeff Clark - Bullseye!

Honestly, I don't see China jumping in on NK's side anymore....particularly if NK starts the shooting. In fact, I could see Bejing taking pre-emptive action AGAINST NK to stop an all out war. China wants the status quo to be maintained, at least for now. The last thing China wants is a unified, democratic, economic powerhouse on their southern border giving Chinese citizens ideas about democracy....

wehy anyone would think that millions of deatshs including tens of thousands of American deaths is beyinf me and I am not exaggerating the kind of numbers involed at all. Seoul is one of the largest Cities on the earth and it is within ranges of approximate 6000 pieces of heavy artillery., The Defenses on both side are fortified an may fortified enough that anything other than heavy precision weapons are not not bothering with, the terrain absolutely sucks for modern warfare and gives great advantages to the defender.

Then if out side get a real upper hand nuke start popping since we are dealing with a absolutely mad culture and thus Japanese civilians get added to the death toll

I served three tours the and brought back a wife 34 years ago. I am still with her. From her parents and older sibling and friends i have come to understand somewhat the nightmare that the civil population went though. Not the least is things like fleeing south to flee from the war, returning home than fleeing south again when the war went badly. All with children and on foot on the edges and sometimes in the middle of a combat zone, The best American General in US history had it right "War is all hell" . Anyone that actually plans on a short victorious war should be rewarded for that thought by being taken out to a wall and gut-shot as a lesson. Diplomats should and warriors do pay horrible prices for that particular kind of stupidity.

Wars are so clean in video games and in the movies aren't they.

SFC Pete Kain China is less likely to get involved if the incursion is strictly limited to South Korean forces - and not US forces.

MAJ Bryan Zeski - Less likely or are you sure?
It's matters.

and we are getting far to lean

That's right why waste the young men. If we are that mad bomb them or nuke them.

Well although I loath all Muslims and I am pissed at the Pakistanis for hiding Bin Laden . The Pakistani's are not currently at war with us, at least for now. While North Korea is and we only have an armistice in place and the war can begin again any day. I do not want to loose 1 man to them, but I would gladly sit back with missiles and Stealth bombers and blow them into the next stone age. Also Pakistan is in mutual assured destruction with India. That is our other option give a limited number of small Uranium or Plutonium nukes to South Korea and Japan to defend themselves against the North with mutually assured destruction. I prefer bombing them back into the stone age.

SSgt Brad Becker - "Loath all Muslims"? Really?

Yes I have been at war with one radical Muslim Group or another almost straight for 37 years. Iran hostage, to Beirut, USS Stark, Gulf war, Somalia, USS. Cole, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, ISIS, Syria, Now Iran again. People have been born and died and have never know a time with out fear of Muslim terror. So yes I hate them all. I have a lot of injured friends. From these last 2 wars. I have never meant 1 that I trusted with my back in combat not even the examples I meant in the Marines. Always trying to tell me how peaceful the Muslims are while I am packing my gear for the newest hot spot. Probably not like that now, but a lot refused to fight in the Gulf war. Even had a Warrant officer refuse to fight against other Muslims did not get kicked out and even got a promotion latter.

SSG (Join to see) I agree well said, if we have to overthrow every government that doesn't share our perceptions on governing that would be 80% of the world. What's statue of limitations?

The question is where will the casualties be. In North Korea or wherever they start launching missiles once they can?

Missiles are not their most threatening weapons, SSG Robert Burns. As best I can recall, there are something like a dozen major dams in the North on rivers which flow south. A major flood hitting Seoul would almost has a much higher hit probability than any missile, and would be effectively unstoppable.

Yes that's what he said, it sounds dumber the more I say it.

1LT William Clardy - Some small rivers from the north flow into the south, while the largest Korean river (Han) flows north. The Han river in Seoul originates in South Korea and flows north to the South/North Korean border, which empties out to the Yellow Sea. Little damage would be done by flooding. Next time please check your facts before posting a opinion or comment.

Smart Col very Smart.

I apologize to every Veteran who had to go to Iraq after 2002 as we did not take care of that business like we should have in 1990 when we had 500,000 men in country. We should have annihilated them. I kicked the ground when they ended the war, we had them whipped. They where 100% crushed we could have made them get on their knees and beg.

I totally agree with Dan Fuhr, who is a comrade-in-arms and friend going back almost 20 years. Remember what we learned (hopefully) in Iraq: you break it, you own it (apologies to Colin Powell). Unless they are a serious immediate threat, we need to stay out of there!

Not certain about Okinawa (probably a lesser extent but I haven't read anything on it) but they did it on Saipan for certain.

and Tinian

One of the smartest things I have read on here.

Well, considering the recent uptick in NK defections and from intel gathered from folks who managed to get out, I think we tend to give the regime a tad too much credit on the brainwashing piece. Are there hardcore elements that will go down with the ship? Yes. But it also seems that most folks in NK tend to know that they are in a bad way, that their leadership is crazy...but they simply can't do anything about it.

Well I was in the Artillery for 20 years. I was in the war in the Gulf I fired as many rounds as my officers would allow me too. I was the operations chef in charge of an 8 gun yes stupid 8 155 mm battery. That was an Idea that went away almost as quickly as it started. Stupid. But any ways I have never regretted one round. Only wish I had fired more sleep like a baby at night. You see in indirect war fare like Artillery or Bombers dropping bomb you do not see the enemy. So its not an issue. I say the B-52 dropping thousands of bombs in the Distance on Iraqis it was awesome. First you see the flashes at night it lights up the sky like some kind of giant lighting storm, then the ground feels like an earth quake under your feet finally you can hear the rumble. It was beautiful. That is when we first developing smart bombs and still did carpet bombing I was 20 miles or more away. I can tell you the Iraqis must have been peeing their pants. It spooked some of my men and as I saw it was 20 - 40 miles away. See speed of light is faster, the the ground is a better conductor then the air. The B-52 is an awesome weapon.

SSgt Brad Becker - Well you are a better man than me because the thought that I was the catalyst behind lose of life bothers me.

I would not send in one single ground troop unless we needed a special forces team to spot smart rounds on TGT modern warfare that maybe able to do with drones and satellites Just sit back and blow them all away with Missiles and Aircraft. Don't waste the man power. Not better then any one else, just saying indirect ware fare is not got the same face on it. It has never bothered me the only Iraqis I saw where dead that’s the way I like them. Laying in the desert rotting. We drove by some killed by aircraft or artillery during the war. When moving positions. I saw a few killed in the distance in a few small tank battles watched their bodies fly through the air when their tanks cooked off. Saw some bunkers that they must have been dead because after awhile they where not shooting back any more and the armor drove by. Some stinky tanks with dead Iraqis in them next to our position. Never got to use my 9mm or M16A2. Saw about 3000 Pows if added up at different times. My section captured 4 who we disarmed one morning at sun up. I saw one who was gut shot after a fire fight with Marine weapons Company. They tried to make a stand in a block building. Weapons used 50’s, MK19’s every thing they had the building was riddled. Only 2 survived the one was gut shot. Weapons platoon had a hummer overloaded to the point they where about to fall out of captured Iraqi weapons. nice war over all. I am sorry to every one who had to go back in 2002 or after because we where not allowed to kill more the first time when we had 500,000 men on the battle field. Only time since WW2 we had 3 divisions of Marines in the same theater. 1st and 2nd on shore 3rd on the water. With 2/3 of the 4th division reservists filling 1st and 2nd divisions, we made about 3 full divisions. 1st and 2nd each gave an RLT to 3rd Mar Div. joined by the Brigade from Hawaii stayed on ships. 1st and 2nd where each given an RLT from fourth making them 2/3 active 1/3 Reservists, The where broken up and added to Battalions like my Battalion was 2 Batteries of Active and 1 reserve battery and active BN Hq.

Smart man!

Very good idea.