Posted on May 8, 2015
COL Charles Williams
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As of 23 April 15, 8 women still remained in the first ever pilot of a gender integrated ranger course. Do you think this is a good thing? Do you think this is indicator that DOD will drop the ban on women serving in direct combat units? Interesting times.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/05/06/opinion-the-pentagon-should-drop-the-ban-on-women-in-combat-units-no-exceptions/
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Why would anyone be mad about someone attending Ranger School?
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Good information, CPT Ron Snyder, but that was over 40 years ago...I cannot imagine that today's military leadership would break a barrier for women in this fashion.
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COL Charles Williams
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SGM Matthew Quick I think the issue with this topic, and widespread comments, are in large part due to the era you were in the Army and you age. And, second based on concerns of lowering the standards to enable anyone to succeed. That latter is what would make me mad.

I agree on Airborne School from me experience in 1985, but not Air Assault school from what I saw in 1992. Climb to Glory.
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1LT(P) Infantry Officer
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Failing peers, patrols and a plethora of Major Minus's should result in a drop from the course. All standards were not kept the same. At a minimum, 2 should have been released.
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COL Charles Williams
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Hooah!!!
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MSgt Rob Weston
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Just like the men, if they can pass the rigorous requirements to obtain the tab that's awesome. I am not a ranger and never been to the school so It is not my place to criticize others who wants that tab.
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COL Charles Williams
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SPC Thomas Grassia Interesting. I wonder if that is true?
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SPC Thomas Grassia
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Good morning Sir! SKK (the writer) also writes for Time, People and others. You can see her Bio on my Fort Mac site here: http://thefortmacvets.org/radio-2015-02-21-keating-bio.shtml
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COL Charles Williams
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Thank you very much! SPC Thomas Grassia
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LTC Student
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COL Charles Williams I believe it to be true as the it is much more than the normal scuttlebutt going around over here.
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Yes, our women are still driving on at Ranger School! Are you happy or mad?
SSG Todd Lysfjord
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All 8 failed patrols in Darby and 2 were peered so 6 will recycle if they care to...
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CPT Assistant Operations Officer (S3)
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TSgt Hunter Logan They have to go to a board to access the result of their failure. They could be a day one or a darby insert. After that they will get the final result. I am sure this is what they are waiting for.

I don't think anyone is dancing around that they didn't make it. We are dancing around that they held them to the standard. A female will make it one day. But they have to earn it. So far there has been a lot of disparity in the way a male goes to ranger school and the females that went.
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SGT Wain Lyden
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They stilI need to hold their heads up high. If they are recycled they will be stronger and smarter to complete it the second time around.
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1LT(P) Infantry Officer
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They will not be physically stronger, but will be more situationally aware. 6 days to recover before starting Darby again isn't going to give their body types enough time to recover.
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CPT Pedro Meza
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Hunter, to any men that gloats women failure at Ranger School, have these men attempt to do the mission of a Female Soldier from the Cultural Support Teams.
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SSgt Ncoic, Admin And Dts
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If you are mad you may be part of the problem. Sure they could "take a slot" that could go to someone others deem more deserving. What about that day down range that hasn't come yet where her skills learned there could save your ass? Everyone who needs to go will get to go so don't worry! Hope they can all be successful and the skills learned applied!
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Wait what? Everyone that needs to go will go? I will take you being in the AF as the reason why you say that. The Army can't send enough people. Even infantry officer needs to go. Just so you know I am one of 3 in my Battalion that are Ranger qualified.

I am in an infantry unit. I have yet to have been saved by a female. I am not saying that it can't happen but there are not females in the infantry. But there men. i have fought with them. I am going to say that I think the ones that I am fighting with should be going first before someone that isn't infantry goes.
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SSgt Ncoic, Admin And Dts
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I am mistaken, with my experience in the Air Force people who need to go to special course will make it in their time requirements most of the time. I was unaware how tight entry to ranger school is
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COL Charles Williams
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I am not mad SSgt (Join to see).... I am just posing the question.
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SSgt Ncoic, Admin And Dts
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Sir, I guess this post didn't come out right, it was kind of a generalization that I'd someone is mad at the women in the school they may be part of the problem. It appears the initial comment has failed.
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LTC Stephen C.
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COL Charles Williams, I'm absolutely delighted that they continue. Assuming that everyone is treated exactly the same, I hope they finish the course and get tabbed.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
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If they can perform the related duties, cool.  But i don't like the agenda of Women's Lib pushing it, and I'm curious what reactions will be the minute we have a future female POW.

To be clear, the reason I mention Women's Lib movement...is that the Marine Corps already did testing for over 2 years, but somehow this testing is going to be redone by every branch?  Can they suddenly do 3 pull-ups in an Army Uniform? (Read: Can they pull themselves and their gear up over an obstacle even once?)  Are Army BDUs that much lighter than the USMC Digiflage (which actually works so much better, digitally speaking, that the Army wanted it -- after their 5 million dollar blunder on Army Digiflage Ver.01)?

Women tested by the Corps only did School of Infantry.  That's what Army calls AIT for Infantry MOSs.  It wasn't SpecOps, it wasnt Scout Sniper course, or a Recon Indoc....just the basics.

So if one fails USMC SOI, and then passes Army Rangers, whether they are male or female...now we get a better grasp on why Marines (03XXs) laugh at Rangers.  =)
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SGT Jeremiah B.
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Here's the official word. All 8 recycled.
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LTC Stephen C.
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SGT Jeremiah B., thanks for the update.
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LTC Stephen C.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop and 1LT L S: it's all moot, at least for now anyway. All the women are being recycled. Read the above.
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Cpl Christopher Bishop
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Good news...from the viewpoint that perhaps the standards haven't been too watered down just yet. I do however wish them luck.

What I still don't get is other branches' further attempts after the USMC spent over 2 full years on this with zero positive results. I mean I grasp a bit of politics and a dash of Women's Lib movement pushing it, but can ya break it down? =)
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Sir, as long as they are meeting the same standard that the males have to achieve then I have no issues whatsoever.
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SPC Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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I'm just mad that it's really hard to find a place to urinate, change clothes and utilize my field wipes. Imagine being in a tiny fighting position and you have to risk exposing yourself to fire in order to conduct personal hygeine.
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PO2 Johnathan Kerns
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I guess I'm indifferent. If the pass with the standards being maintained then great.
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