Political Correctness
Morale
Combat
Readiness
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MSG John Hill War is hell. The only way to fight a war is to go all out and win. Our training can never fully prepare us for the realities of war, but it must come as close as possible. We should not engage in war unless our goal is total victory.
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LTC Stephen C.
MSG John Hill, BCT ended for me on 16JAN70 and I was commissioned on 16JUN73. None of that training or any that I received in between was PC. Based on what I hear about what is going on nowadays, I'm glad I served when I did. Sgt (Join to see)
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Did the Army stop training the way they will fight? What is done differently? Are there no more ranges, or field training? I've been out a long time. But from what I've seen about all the mock villages and cities and realistic training environments, and predeployment training, it looks like training is closer to warfighting than 20 years ago.
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With all the mandatory PC sensitivity training who has time to train to fight?
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LTC (Join to see)
So how many months of PC sensitivity training are required each year now? Or is it still just a handful of classes that last a few hours, but are used as excuses for poor training development and planning?
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SFC Everett Oliver
LTC (Join to see) - I would hope you spotted that my response was at least in part; sarcasm. But seriously some do have more realistic than before, but from what I'm told it isn't near enough of the entire force that gets the training. And pre-deployment training shouldn't even be needed except for mission specific training. What is taught to an 11B as pre deployment? How about the Signal Soldier, The supply clerk or medic?
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Some would argue that we actually train the way we fight because we changed the way we fight.
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MSG John Hill
As a Contractor flying CSAR for the DEA conducting counternarcotics interdiction missions in Afghanistan, I've seen Commanders turn down missions supporting us. Their excuse, off the record, was that the risk assessment was too high based on the ROE constraints. So, with that said, it sounds like predeployment training consists of huge blocks in Risk / threat assessment writing to either accept the cake walk missions where awards are written for all or decline those where purple hearts and posthumous awards are even a slight possibility.
It's off topic, but perhaps Contractors should take over the combat roles in future conflicts, because nobody cares if we come home in body bags...
FYI, I do know from whence I speak; having served three years in Iraq pulling executive protection / AT/FP followed by seven years (2,000+ combat flight hours) flying CSAR for DoS Air Wing in support of counter narcotics operations...post military retirement.
It's off topic, but perhaps Contractors should take over the combat roles in future conflicts, because nobody cares if we come home in body bags...
FYI, I do know from whence I speak; having served three years in Iraq pulling executive protection / AT/FP followed by seven years (2,000+ combat flight hours) flying CSAR for DoS Air Wing in support of counter narcotics operations...post military retirement.
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PC = Outcome Based Training... Are we really getting softer or just better?
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