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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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GySgt Michael Harris
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I don't have all the FACTS about POTUS concerning his past, which seems not to matter theses days to most people that want to just be mad for whatever reason. We can't all move forward as America if some wants to dwell in the past. I look at what POTUS has done for the Military to include the Vets since he has been in office, that is what we all should measure POTUS on. It is so easy to focus on the negatives and not the positives, which we see very little of in the media and form our elected officials.
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SPC Andrew Ross
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GySgt Michael Harris, great point!
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COL Jon Lopey
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Gunny: I have to agree with you on this one. I served during the Viet Nam Era in the USMC and it was a distinct honor and privilege. I have served many presidents, starting with Nixon but this president has done much for the military and veterans. The fact is the vast majority (approx. 90%) of adults did not serve in the military during the Viet Nam Era. Semper Fi, Marine! COL L
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SGT Stephen Rowland
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The most logical and pragmatic comment on the board. Thank you Gunny.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Thank you for the great comments and excellent share, thank you for your service.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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And you too Sgt!
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CAPT Rodney Clark
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I'm a little tired of patriot tests. I've stopped trying to judge what is in the hearts of men and their motivation for what they do. I'm proud of my 34 years in uniform and 30 years on active duty serving in operational billets. I loved the military and wanted to serve my country from the time I was very young and so my calling was clear and less of a burden than someone who joined the reserves or national guard for one tour not because he liked it but served because of a sense of duty. I've seen many whom served because of the great educational or other benefits and that is fine but disappointing because of the attitude that comes along with it. For those who did not serve or found a legal way to avoid the draft, I say that is fine too. Just get a job, pay your taxes and give a little respect for those that did. For President Trump, I think he is serving the military now, it just took a while.
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CAPT Patrick Mulcahy
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The problem I have with deferments is that during Vietnam those who received a college deferment were then supposed to serve after graduation. And yet, President Ford ended that requirement. So my high school classmates got a four year jump start on their career and never had to serve.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Indeed, this is actually a consideration one can weigh when voluntarily joining the military. Retarding ones education, or experience in the workplace, leading to the possibility of lower wages, at least initially. Being drafted means one doesn't get to weigh those considerations. Furthermore, even the Spectre of being drafted can lead to a environment of uncertainty that can lead to the same problems.

Thank you for posting!
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COL Jon Lopey
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Patrick: You bring up a good point but I think President Ford was attempting to bring some sense of healing to a wounded nation, especially after the Watergate and pull-out in Viet Nam. Although most of my classmates did not serve and got a start on their careers, I think I was better off because I served in the USMC, got the GI Bill, and became more successful than most of them after I started my career. I had leadership experience, confidence, wartime veteran status, and I felt better about myself because I at least volunteered and did what I thought was right, similar to my dad and uncles in WW II. Thank you for the comments and thanks for your service! COL L
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LCpl Robert Castaldi
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You're complaining about that? You got a head start on your Naval career! You served what I would assume was 42 honorable years in the service of your country and should have a really nice pension and benefits not to mention the benefits you enjoyed during your career as an Officer in the Navy! And you are complaining??? And you parlayed that into a cushy job with a Government contractor the size of Northrop Grumman Corporation (Defense and Space) which I know is at least a 6 figure salary and perks??? Just shut up! OMG!
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SPC Margaret Higgins
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My brothers wanted to go to Canada; if they were drafted. They are my brothers: I Love them.
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COL Jon Lopey
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Margaret: You served, which is appreciated! My twin brother served as a paratrooper and I served in the USMC during the Viet Nam Era. My older brother had a deferment due to ROTC in college. If my older brother went to Canada I would still love him too. I wouldn't have agreed with him for his actions but I would still love him and if he returned, I think I would put the past in the rear-view mirror. Thank you. COL L
PS - That was a difficult time and to some degree our national leadership, a few military leaders, and the media got it wrong too often, which did not help. I have had many people tell me at veterans' events that they opposed the war and some protested Viet Nam but most said they appreciated our service members for their service and most apologized for blaming them and disrespecting them, wrongfully, during that turbulent time. Our service members did an incredible job under difficult circumstances, which most Americans recognize today - That helps our current service members and veterans because they have, for many years, received the accolades and respect they deserve.
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SPC Margaret Higgins
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COL Jon Lopey - Colonel Jon Lopey: I appreciate greatly your valiant service and your brave sacrifice; in the USMC; during the Vietnam Era.
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COL Jon Lopey
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Margaret: Thank you! You made my day. Again, thank you for your service, courage, and wisdom as well! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! COL L
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SPC Margaret Higgins
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COL Jon Lopey - Jon, you made MY DAY! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Have a terrific weekend; Sir!
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CW4 Jim Webb
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As I Vietnam veteran, I have very definite thoughts on this subject. You may or may not agree with my point of view, but for discussion here are a few:

Number One: Those of us who lived through this era all made our decisions based on the best information that we had at the time. Keep in mind that many of us were 18 years old and also that now, in retrospect, we did not have all the information that has come to light since. Maybe we would have done things differently, but who can say. You can second guess every decision you ever made, but what good comes from it?

Number Two: Those who avoided the draft and those who deserted from the military at that time somehow ended up all lumped together. I have some respect for those who stood on their principles and avoided the draft. I have none for those who took an oath and then retracted it.

Number Three: Some of the best soldiers I have ever known were draftees. These are the guys who didn't necessarily want to be in the Army but decided to do their best as long as that was their fate.

Number Four: Remember that, before the lottery, young men opened their mailboxes every day from age 18 to 26 with heart in throat, wondering if today was the day they would get their "Greetings" from Uncle Sam. Living like that was so stressful that many (myself included) opted to enlist and get it over with.
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SSgt Terry P.
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CW4 Jim Webb All very good points. No 3 is also my opinion of draftees i served with during VN.
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CW4 Jim Webb
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Thank you.
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PO1 Robert Ryan
PO1 Robert Ryan
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Didn't get the chance to to dodge or desert. The Judge asked me if I wanted to spend 2 years at Rikers Isa land or I could join the service and the charge of auto theft would disappear. Glad I chose the later option. I was 18 then. Spent 22 years serving.
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SPC William Hasley
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As an oldster who did NOT avoid the draft in 60's, I agree with most of above answer. I did not want to go. Indeed I lived on Lake Erie and could easily have gotten to Canada. However,I decided that two years was the price to pay for living here. I went, attained the "Exalted" rank of SP4 as an 11B; humped the boonies; did my time in the I-core area ; and came home. I've never had much of a problem with anyone who opted not to go for whatever reason, but I still get extremely surly when someone suggests I was stupid for going. I made my own decision; learned some valuable things about myself and and other people; then came home; and went on with my life. If that bothers someone, I always respectfully suggest that they comment an anatomical impossibility.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you so very much for your service, and for your thoughtful, and experience laced comments.
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SFC Jim Dorsey
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Thank you for doing what 99.98% would not do!
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MAJ Corporate Buyer
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I agree with you. If there are legal ways to avoid the draft then that's that. My father wasn't eligible for the draft because he was in seminary. When he graduated, he served as a pastor for 40 years. It is what it is.

I've heard others complain that people in power who had sons drafted (or volunteer) made sure they didn't see combat. As a service member I get it but I think it really just comes down to jealousy. I mean, if I had the power to ensure one of my sons didn't die fighting a controversial war would I use it? Maybe so.

I also agree that if America were being invaded there would be no shortage of volunteers. And those that couldn't enlist would form militias and we'd see the benefit of the 300 million privately owned guns. And you make an excellent point that if the government is having to draft people to go fight a war somewhere then maybe it's a war that we should avoid.
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My father was drafted when I was 1 month old and when he showed up after his number was called he got 4Fed due to a medical condition he knew nothing about prior. Did that make him a "draft dodger"? All I know is that if he hadn't been rejected for service, there is a high probability that I would have been an only child.
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CW2 Max Dolan
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I don't consider anyone a "draft dodger" unless they fled to Canada or did something else dispicable to get out of it. I have lots of friends my age (65-70 years old) who did not serve for one reason or the other. One DID go to Canada, but then....he was Canadian!
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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We are a nation of laws. During the Vietnam ear the same law enforced the draft that granted deferment for various reasons. I don’t blame Pres Clinton or Pres Trump for using legal deferments. Your analogy with the tax laws is excellent. I disagree that draftees were slaves because they were compensated for their service at the same rate of pay as volunteers in the same pay grade. They also could and did avail themselves of the GI bill. I saw several types of people in the AF in the Vietnam era:
-draftees happy to not be in the Army who did their duty and got out as soon as they could with honor
- almost draftees who joined the AF voluntarily to avoid being drafted. Some served with distinction some didn’t. Some were officers and most were enlisted
-draftees and volunteers who hated the AF and regretted their decision. Most found a way to get an early out. Some through criminal activity
-volunteers like me who chose to serve even though we could have avoided the draft. I like to think we paved the way for the all volunteer force

The men who left the US to avoid prosecution or service were breaking US law. They were criminals. I’m glad they were later pardoned so we could put the Vietnam war behind us politically and socially.
I think the DoD is unprepared to absorb the influx of people a draft would generate. In case of a National Emergency on the scale of WWII we may have adequate volunteers. The draft helps ensure adequate volunteers show up.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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SP5 Peter Keane My best friend while growing up got drafted into the Marines. Army got the most because they had the biggest requirement but all services received draftees.
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SP5 Peter Keane
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The statement above is not mine, but comes from official USAF records.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
Lt Col Jim Coe
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SP5 Peter Keane - Ah! Washington wordsmithing. I was a pro at that when I was active duty and later as a DAC. Ture, the Air Force didn't USE the draft to fill its vacant manpower authorizations. I saw the result of the Air Force being required to accept draftees who wouldn't have scored high enough on entrance tests to get an Air Force job. They were real. The schools the Air Force set up to help them were real. Their eventual integration into the Air Force active duty force was real. BTW it was often a good thing for the Air Force and the airmen who came through that system.
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COL Jon Lopey
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All: Great comments. I was in the USMC during the Viet Nam Era. I met draftee Marines but there weren't many of them. During Viet Nam, over 60% of service members were volunteers - A greater percentage, technically, than WW II. Most of the men (and a few women) that served during that time are more successful than their non-serving counterparts (studies confirm this). I was proud to serve during that time and the Marine units I was in were good units with stellar leadership (NCO and officer). When overseas, poor performers didn't last long but when I returned to Camp Pendleton, I ran into some non-performers and some with bad attitudes but overall, those Marines did not reflect the vast majority of warriors I served with. Thanks for the wisdom, gentlemen! COL L
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