Posted on Jul 19, 2018
Should We Be Upset At Those Who “Dodged The Draft”?
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I’ve seen a number of posts elsewhere provocatively calling President Trump a “draft dodger” for utilizing three educational deferments and one medical exclusion during Vietnam. I know this can be a sensitive issue for many of us who have served. Many of my military friends seem to want to pile on, and comment with disdain over his actions, and this issue. Some of this is just politics, for others it’s more personal.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
PVT Raymond Lopez - Like the picture, that would be my wife on a bad day.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
This is totally off topic, but what is it that makes a woman with a high powered rifle totally alluring and appealing???
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SFC Mamerto Perez
SPC Andrew Ross -Very true but Clinton didn't go around provoking other countries into War like your Chicken President
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Thank you for a very well thought out post that helps me with some of my feelings on the same subject. I agree with your guidelines. Again thank you for your post brother Gerhard.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Michael Noll I appreciate your comment, and more importantly, the sentiment that they convey. I am both happy, and humbled that my article has a positive impact. Regards.
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The draft was and is a body tax which has been used for centuries around the world. I am glad we no longer use it but know it will be imposed again if necessary. I was raised during the draft and everyone was expected to do their part. True you can make a nice argument it is involuntary servitude just like you can make a case income tax is illegal confiscation, Neither argument will get you anywhere. All young men in my era had to plan everything around the draft. You could not get a good job when you graduated high school because no one wanted to train someone that would leave for 2 years. Your choices were going to college, volunteer for the draft hr get married and have a kid right away. If you got a college deferment any your grades dropped you went right away and when you graduated you got drafted. There are notable exceptions which get a lot of ink but that is how it was for most of us. Personally, I think most of our problems with the education system stems from the cowards that hid out in academia indefinitely. They used their positions in academia to preach a leftist ideology to justify their actions.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Thank you for your perspective on this issue. Regarding the income tax. One might point out the we actually passed a constitutional amendment to give the Federal government the power to institute the dastardly income tax. We did no such thing to give the Federal government the power to arbitrarily force certain men into servitude, particularly after the 13th amendment abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.
When you speak of "choices".... When someone holds servitude or imprisonment over ones head and carries a gun to enforce it, it becomes substantially less than a choice. The choice to simply go about ones life, for instance, isn't there. "Choose" to get married and have a kid right away for a 18-19 year old? "Choose" to go to college? Not really a choice for those who couldn't afford it, or who didn't have the grades.... And then if college ends before the war? ..... "Choose" to volunteer for the draft? When the alternative to all these is imprisonment, or involuntary servitude, is it really a choice? One might think not.
Respectful regards, and again, thank you for your thoughtful comments.
When you speak of "choices".... When someone holds servitude or imprisonment over ones head and carries a gun to enforce it, it becomes substantially less than a choice. The choice to simply go about ones life, for instance, isn't there. "Choose" to get married and have a kid right away for a 18-19 year old? "Choose" to go to college? Not really a choice for those who couldn't afford it, or who didn't have the grades.... And then if college ends before the war? ..... "Choose" to volunteer for the draft? When the alternative to all these is imprisonment, or involuntary servitude, is it really a choice? One might think not.
Respectful regards, and again, thank you for your thoughtful comments.
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LTC John Bush
Interesting argument , however a "draft" of some sort has been used by all civilizations to assemble a fighting force . When the fate of a tribe, community or civilization are threatened all the nice arguments are swept aside. You are right there is no choice, perhaps alternatives is a better word
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I served from 1969 to 1973. I joined voluntarily after college. A number of my college buddies went into teaching to enjoy additional deferments. I joined due to a sense of responsibility, not because I believed Vietnam to be a direct threat to our democracy. Understand, this conflict was quite despised and detested. we lost so much. I chose the MOS of medicine as I'm not sure I can take a life, but i can save many! And I was disallowed to be a pilot, co-pilot, and navigator due to my partial color blindness.
I am bitter that some avoided the draft. 30% of soldiers were conscripted; and not all served "in country". And keep in mind that around and after the Tet Offensive, we had over 600,000 military personnel there.
And consider that 1 in 5 who serve as combatants do the actual fighting. The remainder provide necessary support. Some one with purported "bone spurs" has a wide range of specialties they can be placed in!
Obviously, I can intimately relate to this issue.
Rich
I am bitter that some avoided the draft. 30% of soldiers were conscripted; and not all served "in country". And keep in mind that around and after the Tet Offensive, we had over 600,000 military personnel there.
And consider that 1 in 5 who serve as combatants do the actual fighting. The remainder provide necessary support. Some one with purported "bone spurs" has a wide range of specialties they can be placed in!
Obviously, I can intimately relate to this issue.
Rich
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Draft dodger or patriot? everybody is entitled to their option, but Think that one of privilege should not be given a pass. I realize all the "yeas" and "nays" have their own reason, but as a volunteer during the VN war, I felt I was doing my part in protecting, not only our freedoms, but that of the country I was in.
I think the draft should require everybody and not a select few to serve for one's country. It should be a requirement to serve one's country, if only for 6 months or a year. There are positions for the one's who, for whatever reason, could be used as a support group. It should be a pride to serve one's country, whether war or peace time.
Just my 2 cents added here.
I think the draft should require everybody and not a select few to serve for one's country. It should be a requirement to serve one's country, if only for 6 months or a year. There are positions for the one's who, for whatever reason, could be used as a support group. It should be a pride to serve one's country, whether war or peace time.
Just my 2 cents added here.
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I'm not sure I know what a draft dodger is. My wife and I were talking about her brother "getting a high number" and avoiding the draft. I didn't know what that meant, she had to explain to me that it meant that his draft number was so high he knew he would probably never be drafted so he could get on with his life.
I never got a number. I'm not sure I registered for the draft, I don't remember doing so. I just remember joining the Marine Corps one day during the Vietnam War and getting shipped to Parris Island a few days later. That was how I got on with my life
I suppose that was my way of dodging the draft. I decided how I would serve, no one else.
I don't give a damn how anyone else handled the problem. George Bush was called a draft dodger by his political opponents and he was a trained Air Force Reserve fighter pilot. His father was called "a wimp" by his political opponents and he was the youngest fighter pilot in the Navy in WWII, being unable to land on his carrier after having his aircraft shot out from under him. Trump is called a draft dodger for his legitimate educational and medical deferments and he has handled the defeat of ISIS and the management of our military far better than any president in my memory..
We are far better off with a volunteer military. That way it is a profession one aspires to and no one is accused of shirking for making other choices. This alleviates all the bullshit.
In my experience, and I served when draftees were forced to serve, people who don't want to be there generally don't do that great a job anyways. Whom do you want covering your back? A volunteer or a draftee?
I never got a number. I'm not sure I registered for the draft, I don't remember doing so. I just remember joining the Marine Corps one day during the Vietnam War and getting shipped to Parris Island a few days later. That was how I got on with my life
I suppose that was my way of dodging the draft. I decided how I would serve, no one else.
I don't give a damn how anyone else handled the problem. George Bush was called a draft dodger by his political opponents and he was a trained Air Force Reserve fighter pilot. His father was called "a wimp" by his political opponents and he was the youngest fighter pilot in the Navy in WWII, being unable to land on his carrier after having his aircraft shot out from under him. Trump is called a draft dodger for his legitimate educational and medical deferments and he has handled the defeat of ISIS and the management of our military far better than any president in my memory..
We are far better off with a volunteer military. That way it is a profession one aspires to and no one is accused of shirking for making other choices. This alleviates all the bullshit.
In my experience, and I served when draftees were forced to serve, people who don't want to be there generally don't do that great a job anyways. Whom do you want covering your back? A volunteer or a draftee?
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COL Jon Lopey
SGT Collins (and SSG Seidel): I too served during this time period but most Marines were volunteers, although I ran into a few drafted men (one was a squared-away SSGT). I served then and later, 30-years in the reserves as an officer. I think the all-volunteer force is better and the vast majority want to be there. Everyone joins for their own reasons but as a volunteer, like I was during the Viet Nam Era, most of us have a vested interest and commitment that some forced to join do not have. There are advantages to the draft (e.g., diversity, service, opportunity, etc.) but overall, I agree with you. Thank you for your service. I agree with you on our current and former presidents too. I'm more concerned about what our president is doing for our nation and its military now, not whether or not he was eligible and took advantage of a deferment 55-years ago. Semper Fi, COL L
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Words have meanings. Just calling someone a draft dodger doesn't make them one.
A draft dodger is someone who got called up in the draft and evaded his duty illegally by leaving the country or going into hiding. Just because you (the generic you) don't like President Trump doesn't make him a draft dodger, any more than taking all your legal deductions to avoid paying any more than you have to for taxes makes you a tax evader.
A draft dodger is someone who got called up in the draft and evaded his duty illegally by leaving the country or going into hiding. Just because you (the generic you) don't like President Trump doesn't make him a draft dodger, any more than taking all your legal deductions to avoid paying any more than you have to for taxes makes you a tax evader.
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As a "hawk", on Vietnam and Iraq, I tend to be very short-tempered with those who actually "dodged" the draft i.e., those who received draft notices and did not appear, or those who deceived to escape. They encouraged the enemy to continue fighting, and inflict casualties on America.
The draft is not slavery. It has a termination; and is intended to exact service for a national purpose. The activity is, admittedly, dangerous, and we hope to limit it, but we may need it. So-the draft.
The draft is not slavery. It has a termination; and is intended to exact service for a national purpose. The activity is, admittedly, dangerous, and we hope to limit it, but we may need it. So-the draft.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Thank you for your thoughts. Question. Should our politicians be permitted to force servitude upon the general population for ANY reason they choose?
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SGT Richard McArthur
I'm sorry, you must clarify the question. When you say "ANY reason they choose", do you mean there is a particular reason, or just whatever suits them?
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