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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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I don't judge. I wasn't alive then.
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SFC Mamerto Perez
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Yes especially if you are a Commander in Chief.
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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PVT Raymond Lopez - Like the picture, that would be my wife on a bad day.
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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This is totally off topic, but what is it that makes a woman with a high powered rifle totally alluring and appealing???
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PVT Raymond Lopez
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SFC Mamerto Perez
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SPC Andrew Ross -Very true but Clinton didn't go around provoking other countries into War like your Chicken President
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PO2 Tim Hawks
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I consider a draft dodger as someone who skipped out illegally or burned their draft card and didn’t report. If they got a deferment I don’t consider that a draft dodger.
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SSG Michael Noll
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Thank you for a very well thought out post that helps me with some of my feelings on the same subject. I agree with your guidelines. Again thank you for your post brother Gerhard.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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SSG Michael Noll I appreciate your comment, and more importantly, the sentiment that they convey. I am both happy, and humbled that my article has a positive impact. Regards.
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LTC John Bush
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The draft was and is a body tax which has been used for centuries around the world. I am glad we no longer use it but know it will be imposed again if necessary. I was raised during the draft and everyone was expected to do their part. True you can make a nice argument it is involuntary servitude just like you can make a case income tax is illegal confiscation, Neither argument will get you anywhere. All young men in my era had to plan everything around the draft. You could not get a good job when you graduated high school because no one wanted to train someone that would leave for 2 years. Your choices were going to college, volunteer for the draft hr get married and have a kid right away. If you got a college deferment any your grades dropped you went right away and when you graduated you got drafted. There are notable exceptions which get a lot of ink but that is how it was for most of us. Personally, I think most of our problems with the education system stems from the cowards that hid out in academia indefinitely. They used their positions in academia to preach a leftist ideology to justify their actions.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your perspective on this issue. Regarding the income tax. One might point out the we actually passed a constitutional amendment to give the Federal government the power to institute the dastardly income tax. We did no such thing to give the Federal government the power to arbitrarily force certain men into servitude, particularly after the 13th amendment abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.

When you speak of "choices".... When someone holds servitude or imprisonment over ones head and carries a gun to enforce it, it becomes substantially less than a choice. The choice to simply go about ones life, for instance, isn't there. "Choose" to get married and have a kid right away for a 18-19 year old? "Choose" to go to college? Not really a choice for those who couldn't afford it, or who didn't have the grades.... And then if college ends before the war? ..... "Choose" to volunteer for the draft? When the alternative to all these is imprisonment, or involuntary servitude, is it really a choice? One might think not.
Respectful regards, and again, thank you for your thoughtful comments.
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LTC John Bush
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Interesting argument , however a "draft" of some sort has been used by all civilizations to assemble a fighting force . When the fate of a tribe, community or civilization are threatened all the nice arguments are swept aside. You are right there is no choice, perhaps alternatives is a better word
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SSgt Richard Kensinger
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I served from 1969 to 1973. I joined voluntarily after college. A number of my college buddies went into teaching to enjoy additional deferments. I joined due to a sense of responsibility, not because I believed Vietnam to be a direct threat to our democracy. Understand, this conflict was quite despised and detested. we lost so much. I chose the MOS of medicine as I'm not sure I can take a life, but i can save many! And I was disallowed to be a pilot, co-pilot, and navigator due to my partial color blindness.

I am bitter that some avoided the draft. 30% of soldiers were conscripted; and not all served "in country". And keep in mind that around and after the Tet Offensive, we had over 600,000 military personnel there.

And consider that 1 in 5 who serve as combatants do the actual fighting. The remainder provide necessary support. Some one with purported "bone spurs" has a wide range of specialties they can be placed in!

Obviously, I can intimately relate to this issue.
Rich
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and experiences on this issue.
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SP5 Dennis Dorsey
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Draft dodger or patriot? everybody is entitled to their option, but Think that one of privilege should not be given a pass. I realize all the "yeas" and "nays" have their own reason, but as a volunteer during the VN war, I felt I was doing my part in protecting, not only our freedoms, but that of the country I was in.
I think the draft should require everybody and not a select few to serve for one's country. It should be a requirement to serve one's country, if only for 6 months or a year. There are positions for the one's who, for whatever reason, could be used as a support group. It should be a pride to serve one's country, whether war or peace time.
Just my 2 cents added here.
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Sgt William Collins
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I'm not sure I know what a draft dodger is. My wife and I were talking about her brother "getting a high number" and avoiding the draft. I didn't know what that meant, she had to explain to me that it meant that his draft number was so high he knew he would probably never be drafted so he could get on with his life.
I never got a number. I'm not sure I registered for the draft, I don't remember doing so. I just remember joining the Marine Corps one day during the Vietnam War and getting shipped to Parris Island a few days later. That was how I got on with my life
I suppose that was my way of dodging the draft. I decided how I would serve, no one else.
I don't give a damn how anyone else handled the problem. George Bush was called a draft dodger by his political opponents and he was a trained Air Force Reserve fighter pilot. His father was called "a wimp" by his political opponents and he was the youngest fighter pilot in the Navy in WWII, being unable to land on his carrier after having his aircraft shot out from under him. Trump is called a draft dodger for his legitimate educational and medical deferments and he has handled the defeat of ISIS and the management of our military far better than any president in my memory..
We are far better off with a volunteer military. That way it is a profession one aspires to and no one is accused of shirking for making other choices. This alleviates all the bullshit.
In my experience, and I served when draftees were forced to serve, people who don't want to be there generally don't do that great a job anyways. Whom do you want covering your back? A volunteer or a draftee?
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SSG Gerhard S.
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I couldn't agree more. Thank you for sharing your experiences, and your thoughts.
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COL Jon Lopey
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SGT Collins (and SSG Seidel): I too served during this time period but most Marines were volunteers, although I ran into a few drafted men (one was a squared-away SSGT). I served then and later, 30-years in the reserves as an officer. I think the all-volunteer force is better and the vast majority want to be there. Everyone joins for their own reasons but as a volunteer, like I was during the Viet Nam Era, most of us have a vested interest and commitment that some forced to join do not have. There are advantages to the draft (e.g., diversity, service, opportunity, etc.) but overall, I agree with you. Thank you for your service. I agree with you on our current and former presidents too. I'm more concerned about what our president is doing for our nation and its military now, not whether or not he was eligible and took advantage of a deferment 55-years ago. Semper Fi, COL L
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SPC Steve ChenRobbins
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Words have meanings. Just calling someone a draft dodger doesn't make them one.
A draft dodger is someone who got called up in the draft and evaded his duty illegally by leaving the country or going into hiding. Just because you (the generic you) don't like President Trump doesn't make him a draft dodger, any more than taking all your legal deductions to avoid paying any more than you have to for taxes makes you a tax evader.
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SGT Richard McArthur
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As a "hawk", on Vietnam and Iraq, I tend to be very short-tempered with those who actually "dodged" the draft i.e., those who received draft notices and did not appear, or those who deceived to escape. They encouraged the enemy to continue fighting, and inflict casualties on America.

The draft is not slavery. It has a termination; and is intended to exact service for a national purpose. The activity is, admittedly, dangerous, and we hope to limit it, but we may need it. So-the draft.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your thoughts. Question. Should our politicians be permitted to force servitude upon the general population for ANY reason they choose?
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SGT Richard McArthur
SGT Richard McArthur
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I'm sorry, you must clarify the question. When you say "ANY reason they choose", do you mean there is a particular reason, or just whatever suits them?
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